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Old 10-08-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: DFW
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That's what they do best--target, complain, sue, raise a stink--just to make a point. They do this to wedding shops and any other business that they can--just to cause trouble.
If a business does not want to cater to a certain group they will wise up and just take the order and put it at the end of the line.

The end of the line never get's moved forward. You don't say you won't, you just say "We are so busy right now".

It's all very simple.

Personally, as long as the check is good I'd do the work.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: MS
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Ordinarily I'd take the side of the public, if it's not obscene (by society standards) but I get the feeling this "Christian outfitters", as their tagline says, was targeted by homosexuals to make a point. That's all I can see from this. If they were the only tshirt company around maybe but....


I've recently decided to no longer support these types of targeted do-it-or-sue-it tricks. If they asked, were told no, and then dialoged that's one thing, but it's a set up to sue and get money and MAKE A DAMN POINT. It's too much like a sting operation and goes beyond acceptance and equality and actually helps nobody while causing trouble for people minding their own business JUST BECAUSE a group wants attention. Yes, it can sometimes take a little digging to know what is real and what isn't, but I'm willing to put in the effort and then judge people. It's the internet, I do what I want.

I feel the same way about handicapped laws since I've know there are litigious people LOOKING for reasons to sue. Not fix, not dialog just GIMMIE $$$. No sympathy here.
According to Google, there are 7 custom screen printing shops in Lexington.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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hate speech is illegal.
Where do you live where that is illegal?
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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A Black owned tshirt shop has the same obligation to print "The KKK shall rise to power again" shirts.
They can't say no.
Again.....nobody is born being a bigot in the KKK.
Skin colour, gender and sexual orientation is something one has no control over.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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That's what they do best--target, complain, sue, raise a stink--just to make a point. They do this to wedding shops and any other business that they can--just to cause trouble.

Homosexuals want tolerance, yet so many of them are unwilling to tolerate viewpoints that differ from theirs. It's all about ME ME ME, and look how special I am.

Barf!!
Except they weren't targeted. The organization placed an order and the owner refused because it was for a gay organization. In the City of Lexington that's no different than if they had refused an order for a black family reunion or a baptist church camp.

Heck, they had the order in queue until the owner was contacted by the group to negotiate a lower price. He then canceled it because of who it was.

More information here with all kinds of links to the case.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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Again.....nobody is born being a bigot in the KKK.
Skin colour, gender and sexual orientation is something one has no control over.
Bigger issue is the KKK is not part of a protected class under US law and local ordinances in Lexington, KY.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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If a business does not want to cater to a certain group they will wise up and just take the order and put it at the end of the line.

The end of the line never get's moved forward. You don't say you won't, you just say "We are so busy right now".

It's all very simple.

Personally, as long as the check is good I'd do the work.
Yes, that is what they should do, LOL! At the end of a LONG line...!

But see...that's the point. You have the right to make that decision. They want to take the business owner's right to make his own decision. That's what bothers me the very most.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Except they weren't targeted. The organization placed an order and the owner refused because it was for a gay organization. In the City of Lexington that's no different than if they had refused an order for a black family reunion or a baptist church camp.

Heck, they had the order in queue until the owner was contacted by the group to negotiate a lower price. He then canceled it because of who it was.

More information here with all kinds of links to the case.

"The company's "owners did not want to communicate the message of the requested shirt — that people should be 'proud' about engaging in homosexual behavior or same-sex relationships — nor did they want to promote the pride festival or the ideology conveyed at that advocacy event," the lawyers wrote, adding that Hands On Originals has gay employees and "has filled past orders for customers who it knew identified as homosexual."

That's pretty clear right there. Why should the owners not be allowed to refuse the order once they realized what the organization/t-shirts/symbols stood for?

Having gay employees who do their jobs--and don't try to force their lifestyle on the owner is quite different. They're just employees, whatever their orientation--as long as they don't promote it at work.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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hate speech is illegal. a retail business should serve the public, in america everyone is equal. you don't want to make a wedding cake for gays or serve a black or jewish person then go ahead but you shouldn't be surprised at the backlash.
? where is this "hate speech" illegal?
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:35 PM
 
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Bigger issue is the KKK is not part of a protected class under US law and local ordinances in Lexington, KY.
Yes. Unfortunately, the difference between protected class and not protected class is not getting through to some posters.
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