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Old 10-20-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL | Al Jazeera America

Interesting article. It seems many Americans are not aware of the prevalence of Mexican drug cartel violence and beheadings-or at least choose to ignore it, like our media. The corporate media seems to have an agenda and stories are headlined to ensure it is followed.

Why are we giving so much free publicity and airtime to ISIL? Doesn't having the largest military superpower on Earth waging a war on ISIL give them all the credibility they need in the World of jihadists? Are we trying to funnel Islamic terrorists into one group or are we building up another formidable boogeyman ala Al Qaeda that will ensure decades of warfare for the war profiteers?

" In 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes."

So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Have the drug cartels ever said they were going to come here and chop peoples heads off or skin them alive? No!!!!! And yes, they are worse than ISIL in the level of craziness that they do to victims!!!!!!
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Have the drug cartels ever said they were going to come here and chop peoples heads off or skin them alive? No!!!!! And yes, they are worse than ISIL in the level of craziness that they do to victims!!!!!!
Talk is cheap! You are just repeating the media narrative you have heard so many times. They need to instill fear in the public in order to manufacture consent for WAR. Wake the hell up! How long will you be kept in fear?

The cartels have KILLED and BEHEADED many, many, many more people. They have killed more journalists too. They have kidnapped and recruited more children, they have tens of thousands of captured slaves.

300 AMERICANS have been killed by cartels while only 3 have been killed by ISIL.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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Yes, but leave it to the Mexicans to post the best beheading videos. I wont post it here because I think the mods might not approve but check out the cartel member being beheaded by a chain saw video on the net.

And people think Hollywood can make scary films.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Have the drug cartels ever said they were going to come here and chop peoples heads off or skin them alive? No!!!!! And yes, they are worse than ISIL in the level of craziness that they do to victims!!!!!!
...and our government is not doing anything to secure our borders and prevent either group form entering thru our southern border.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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"A good deal of the cartels’ violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’s death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the “martyrs” as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels’ ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISIL’s, if not worse"
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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"A good deal of the cartels’ violence is perpetrated ritualistically as part of their religion, which is centered, quite literally, on the worship of death. The narcos build and support churches all across Mexico to perpetuate their eschatology. One of the cartels, the Knights Templar (whose name evokes religious warfare), even boasts about its leader’s death and resurrection. When cartel members are killed, they are buried in lavish mausoleums, regarded as martyrs and commemorated in popular songs glorifying their exploits in all their brutality. Many of their members view the “martyrs” as heroes who died resisting an international order that exploits Latin America and fighting the feckless governments that enable it. The cartels see their role as compensating for state failures in governance. The narco gospel, which derives from Catholicism, is swiftly making inroads in the United States and Central America. In short, the cartels’ ideological disposition is no less pronounced than ISIL’s, if not worse"


There are numerous cartel organizations. Most are driven by profit and exploitation. Santa Muerte was already an existing deity in Mexico before the Mexican drug war. It's even used in Mexican American communities in the Southwest. You can buy Santa Muerte ornaments at your local Mexican shop.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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The cartels aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up civilians
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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Mexican drug cartels are worse than ISIL | Al Jazeera America

Interesting article. It seems many Americans are not aware of the prevalence of Mexican drug cartel violence and beheadings-or at least choose to ignore it, like our media. The corporate media seems to have an agenda and stories are headlined to ensure it is followed.

Why are we giving so much free publicity and airtime to ISIL? Doesn't having the largest military superpower on Earth waging a war on ISIL give them all the credibility they need in the World of jihadists? Are we trying to funnel Islamic terrorists into one group or are we building up another formidable boogeyman ala Al Qaeda that will ensure decades of warfare for the war profiteers?

" In 2013 drug cartels murdered more than 16,000 people in Mexico alone, and another 60,000 from 2006 to 2012 — a rate of more than one killing every half hour for the last seven years. What is worse, these are estimates from the Mexican government, which is known to deflate the actual death toll by about 50 percent.

Statistics alone do not convey the depravity and threat of the cartels. They carry out hundreds of beheadings every year. In addition to decapitations, the cartels are known to dismember and otherwise mutilate the corpses of their victims — displaying piles of bodies prominently in towns to terrorize the public into compliance. They routinely target women and children to further intimidate communities. Like ISIL, the cartels use social media to post graphic images of their atrocious crimes."

So how exactly does ISIL pose a greater threat to Americans here in the US? Shouldn't we be more concerned with OUR OWN borders and the nations that BORDER us instead of the most historically violent region in the World thousands and thousands of Miles away? If we did not meddle in the affairs of foreign nations in the Middle East would Muslim extremists there be concerned with our country at all?

Does anyone honestly think if we only bomb a few hundred more civilians, occupy these Middle Eastern countries for just a few more years and spend just a few TRILLION more US Dollars we will defeat "terrorism"?
I agree. Lets kill them too.
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Old 10-20-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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OK well here's one clear difference....

Drug cartels largely target OTHER cartels. ISIS targets EVERYONE NOT in ISIS. I've often said though that we should have intervened with the mess in Mexico years ago.

Interesting article, which of course has to end with "Unfortunately, the U.S. government cannot formulate an effective response to these much more severe threats because the American public is far too busy disparaging Islam while the U.S. military kills Arabs and Muslims abroad. One thing is certain: America’s obsession with ISIL is fueled by Islamophobia rather than any empirical realities."



and if we did nothing at all, Musa would likely say our Islamophobia is keeping us from helping innocent Muslims who are being slaughtered by ISIS.
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