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Old 11-06-2014, 06:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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As Dixie goes, so NOT does the nation. Expected Republican wins in Red states to control a lame duck Congress does NOT mean that the Republicans are not in a free fall. Pretending to be moderate doesn't change the stench of the ideology that gave us Bush. Over the next two years, we'll see what Republicans really are, and the failure to be like Dems, will spell suicide for the Pubs. The country is headed Left.

Republicans win the Senate by sounding like Democrats: America is moving toward the left.
This article has it all backward. Yes, Republicans won by talking about jobs and the economy; but, these are traditional Republican issues. Democrats may talk about economic growth, and jobs, but they do not know how to create jobs. They have done everything to stifle job growth, and the economy shows it. The economy is stagnant.

Consider Hillary's comment, which she had to back away from, following a tremendous amount of criticism: "Businesses do not create jobs!" What?

Jobs are created when businesses expand, because business expansion means a need for people at all levels, from management to factory level. We have seen very little, if any, business expansion under the current administration and the Democrats control of the Senate (the House has passed numerous bills that Harry Reid has prevented from coming to the Senate floor for debate and passage).

What Americans voted against was the "stench of ideology" that is Obama and the Democrats. That ideology is "Progressivism" (Marxist/socialism). This ideology is the exact opposite of free market capitalism, and it has failed every time it's been imposed on a people.

Americans are not stupid. They know the difference between the rhetoric that comes from the Left, and what the Republicans mean by "growing the economy."

This article's claim that Republicans had to embrace Democrat ideas in order to win is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, they would not have won. They won because people don't like the direction the country is going. It was a message to "stop," and reverse course, before we go over the cliff. And the landslide victories of Republicans in both the national and local and State level, is something we haven't seen since the Reagan revolution! The map is covered in Red (In Reagan's time, they used Blue for the Republicans).

"Progressivism" has been delivered a crushing blow. Now we need to begin the work of rebuilding the Republic, and defeating "Progressivism" once and for all.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'll give you this, you never give up even in the face of a historic defeat.
Amen! The article was very stupid. The author is clueless.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So the Repubs pretended to be Dems and that's how they got elected ?
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:42 AM
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Perhaps it is conservatives licking their wounds. It reminds me of how Kareem Jabar would reprimand a young Magic Johnson when he would over celebrate after they won a game.

After the last six years of a President who they thought would never get elected even once, the Tea Party’s errant stroll down an inconsequential path and now after what by any stretch of the imagination is a normal and expected run of the mill performance by the electorate, what do they have to celebrate, the loss of six years?

The bills that the American people will expect to be passed will have to be so full of pork their intent will be hardly noticeable. The challenge for those in control is will the American people feel the effect of a; jobs bill, trade bill, immigration reform, tax reform. No more fake votes to repeal the ACA, collecting a check and calling it a day.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Greater Washington, DC
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Man, at least the GOP did a soul-searching post-mortem in 2012, even if they didn't listen to it. If you want to argue that Joni Ernst, Thomas Tillis, Cory Gardner et al ran like Democrats by promoting lower taxes, repealing obamacare, and (in Ernst's case) eliminating the DoE, then fine. If that's what Democrats are now then I might start voting Democrat! But it certainly does not suggest the country is moving left, quite the opposite

That's not to say the article is wrong. They won by focusing on issue that democrats traditionally focus on. That being said, they did not prescribe liberal solutions (and to its credit, your article does not claim that they did). I think it is great that the GOP can talk about things like poverty now, and can thus bring their own ideas to the table rather than big government. It works a lot better than implying everyone is lazy and that the government has no role in doing anything. BTW, Paul Ryan has been taking this approach for over a year now
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Cool story brah!
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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As Dixie goes, so NOT does the nation. Expected Republican wins in Red states to control a lame duck Congress does NOT mean that the Republicans are not in a free fall. Pretending to be moderate doesn't change the stench of the ideology that gave us Bush. Over the next two years, we'll see what Republicans really are, and the failure to be like Dems, will spell suicide for the Pubs. The country is headed Left.

Republicans win the Senate by sounding like Democrats: America is moving toward the left.

LOL. well that was 5 minutes of my life, i cant get back. thanks for posting an article full of bull.


First of all, those are the issues that have always mattered to republicans. the issue isnt the issues, the issue is the solution to the problems.

the POINT of this election is, democrats have been putting in policy they say address these issues. its failed.

Republicans are saying the POLICY has failed and that the repbulicans have better solutions to fix these issues.
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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This article has it all backward. Yes, Republicans won by talking about jobs and the economy; but, these are traditional Republican issues. Democrats may talk about economic growth, and jobs, but they do not know how to create jobs. They have done everything to stifle job growth, and the economy shows it. The economy is stagnant.

Consider Hillary's comment, which she had to back away from, following a tremendous amount of criticism: "Businesses do not create jobs!" What?

Jobs are created when businesses expand, because business expansion means a need for people at all levels, from management to factory level. We have seen very little, if any, business expansion under the current administration and the Democrats control of the Senate (the House has passed numerous bills that Harry Reid has prevented from coming to the Senate floor for debate and passage).

What Americans voted against was the "stench of ideology" that is Obama and the Democrats. That ideology is "Progressivism" (Marxist/socialism). This ideology is the exact opposite of free market capitalism, and it has failed every time it's been imposed on a people.

Americans are not stupid. They know the difference between the rhetoric that comes from the Left, and what the Republicans mean by "growing the economy."

This article's claim that Republicans had to embrace Democrat ideas in order to win is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, they would not have won. They won because people don't like the direction the country is going. It was a message to "stop," and reverse course, before we go over the cliff. And the landslide victories of Republicans in both the national and local and State level, is something we haven't seen since the Reagan revolution! The map is covered in Red (In Reagan's time, they used Blue for the Republicans).

"Progressivism" has been delivered a crushing blow. Now we need to begin the work of rebuilding the Republic, and defeating "Progressivism" once and for all.
Delusions of grandeur? Despite the world economy stagnating, America's is still rising under Obama and keeps getting better. Progressivism isn't going anywhere, why would you think that?

Instead of rhetoric and taking the easy route of telling people what Obama is doing wrong, Republicans will actually have to form legislation and get it passed. The Republicans got two years to prove it before they run out "it's Obama's fault" campaign rhetoric.
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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LOL. well that was 5 minutes of my life, i cant get back. thanks for posting an article full of bull.


First of all, those are the issues that have always mattered to republicans. the issue isnt the issues, the issue is the solution to the problems.

the POINT of this election is, democrats have been putting in policy they say address these issues. its failed.

Republicans are saying the POLICY has failed and that the repbulicans have better solutions to fix these issues.
What solutions? Austerity has failed globally. The producers are getting richer but that wealth isn't trickling down, they have no cohesive plan to repeal ACA much less a plan on what to replace it with, and don't have an energy policy. What am I missing?

Furthermore, America is doing better than it's global developed country peers and America keeps posting growth here in 2014. I'm not sure what exactly has failed and what hasn't but things are markedly better than 2007/2008.

Lastly, it's ironic that the Republicans used the Hope and Change strategy of populism and empty rhetoric. Drum up the anti-Obama sentiment that you've been nursing and coddling for 6 years, campaign on being Anti-Obama, win the election, and then figure out the details later. Wash, rinse, repeat. Obots and far righties go hand in hand.
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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Whatever gets you through the night.

The fact is, we have an historic number of representatives and governorships, we have re-taken the Senate, we have a monopoly on twice as many state legislatures, and, with the world economy going south, it is likely that we will have the tailwinds in the next election.

It is possible, not certain but possible, that we will see a Republican dominance of government in 2016 that is not only unprecedented, but unimaginable during my lifetime up to this point.
I just don't see the GOP taking back the White House for a very long time. If the Democrats are experts at something, its how to use various forms of media to target and spread their message. If 2012 was any indicator, young female voters are deciding our President now and as long as the Dems put Hillary or Warren up and keep scaring women about birth control, abortion, the "wage gap" and the other war on women topics (no matter how hysterical or misleading), these social issues are going to define our elections. Not only that, the electoral advantage held by the Dems mean that the GOP has to win every single swing state to win. I just don't see that happening.

Until the GOP abandons strong positions on social issues, they're not taking back the White House.

That being said, I do think that in Congress, the GOP will remain strong. Young people have a myopic view of the elections and only seem to care about voting for the President, so Republicans will continue to find success there.
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