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Did you not say you weren't going to read "doctor blogs"? You confine yourself to anti-vax writers and parrot what they say about so-called "fraudulent" studies. Pot, meet kettle.
No, I don't confine myself to antivaxx sites. What makes you think that? I try to look at the actual studies. I will occasional read things from either side of the coin but not very often and I do try to verify what is said. I've seen misinformation on both sides.
No, I don't confine myself to antivaxx sites. What makes you think that? I try to look at the actual studies. I will occasional read things from wither side of the coin but not very often.
You read write ups of "actual studies". You don't understand this Thompson issue. You don't even understand "lawyer-ese", e.g. 'reasonable scientists can disagree'. Thompson is saying it was a matter of scientific disagreement, not fraud, to omit those results.
So could you. Remember that you got the flu this year even with the vaccine, not me.
I had a far milder case than I would have otherwise, and I am exposed to the virus every time I go to work. Maybe by next winter I'll be retired and won't get flu.
I've read that statement over and over again. He admits to omitting statistically significant information from the study. It was a calculated decision in order to skew the data and not have to talk about the facts that were damning for the vaccine and young African American boys. The fact that you can defend what the researchers did without a care in the world for those who may have been damaged as a result is very telling and very sad.
Snopes explains why the study is not fraudulent in simple terms.
Hooker taped Thompson without his knowledge and Thompson did not know the recording would be edited and put on the internet. Hooker then did his own "analysis" of the CDC study data. Hooker's "study" has been withdrawn by the journal that published it because the statistical analysis was botched.
The authors of the CDC study concluded that the results with the African American boys was due to children with autism being vaccinated earlier because they had to be vaccinated to get into pre-school special education programs for autism. In other words, the association is there because the children were autistic and got vaccinated early, not that the children were vaccinated early and became autistic because of the vaccine.
By the way, you would have to explain why the study found no association between autism and MMR in other sub-groups. If you believe the vaccine causes autism in African American boys, do you then also accept that it does not cause autism in black girls, white boys, or white girls?
You can put your tin hat away. There is no conspiracy.
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Got it. You only listen to a very narrow scope of "experts". If they are not a research scientist or a epidemiologist, your ears are closed. Just to let you know, no one in this thread meets your qualifications so you may be wasting your time conversing with any of us.
No, I require that the people I believe are experts have actual expertise: training and experience in the subject being discussed. Anyone with a commercial web site selling books and supplements with no training and no expertise is, well, not an expert. He's a salesman.
Since I doubt that you know everyone posting in this thread, you do not know what their qualifications are, do you? Those who have no training in epidemiology probably should be listening to experts that do, not supplement salesmen.
You will note in the list of authors that Thorsen's name is neither first (the person who wrote the article) or last (the person in charge of the lab that did the study). He was a worker bee and did not have the capacity to fraudulently manipulate the studies, which were audited to make sure that was not done. Unlike Hooker's "study" (and Wakefield's) neither of those two have been retracted.
The authors of the CDC study concluded that the results with the African American boys was due to children with autism being vaccinated earlier because they had to be vaccinated to get into pre-school special education programs for autism. In other words, the association is there because the children were autistic and got vaccinated early, not that the children were vaccinated early and became autistic because of the vaccine.
Exactly! Plus, in the readings I have done, there was no attempt to look at whether the vaccine was given before or after the diagnosis was made. It's quite possible some of these kids were vaccinated after diagnosis, to get into the program in some cases.
You read write ups of "actual studies". You don't understand this Thompson issue. You don't even understand "lawyer-ese", e.g. 'reasonable scientists can disagree'. Thompson is saying it was a matter of scientific disagreement, not fraud, to omit those results.
Yes I did and I totally understand the Thompson issue. Don't you feel for those who may have been negatively impacted by that omission?
You read write ups of "actual studies". You don't understand this Thompson issue. You don't even understand "lawyer-ese", e.g. 'reasonable scientists can disagree'. Thompson is saying it was a matter of scientific disagreement, not fraud, to omit those results.
Given that your so high on vaccines would you always recommend a vaccine if there is a proven alternative that is a natural herb that Alternative Health practioners would recommend for a treatment?
I had a far milder case than I would have otherwise, and I am exposed to the virus every time I go to work. Maybe by next winter I'll be retired and won't get flu.
There is no way for you to know that for sure. Regardless, your chances if spreading the flu are not any less then mine. In fact, this year, your chances have been greater, thus far.
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