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Old 03-25-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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He does get publicity out of it, perhaps not quite what he'd like though.

Obviously he looked at all options and chose ACA as the best one for him and his family.

Of course that does lead to the question that if it was his best option why is/was he trying to destroy it so that others don't have the same options as well?

Not an easy question for him to answer. It'll be asked though.
That is the million dollar question, isn't it? If it's his best option, then it follows that it is the best option for many of us out here. Yet he will be happy to take that away from everyone else once he no longer needs it. It's like Paul Ryan trying to cut Social Security even though it benefited him greatly after his father died--he went to school on our dime. But now that he no longer needs it he is all for pulling the ladder up behind him so no one else gets the benefits that he enjoyed.

That seems to be a Republican trait. I got mine, the hell with everybody else.

 
Old 03-25-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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People are missing the big point Cruz is making.

The law states congressman and their staff have to enroll in the exchanges.

But the kicker is if the staffer or congressman make more than 400% of poverty (roughly 44k person or $94k family of four). They would not qualify for the subsidy.

What Obama and HHS have done is play by their own rules. They are letting the federal govt subsidize all the congressman and their staff regardless if they make more than 400% of poverty.

To me this is illegal. And that's why Cruz is doing this.

ACA supporters are so blinded by the law the fail to see what's written in the law.

The law states congressman/women and their staff have to enroll in exchanges. If you make more than 400% of poverty you won't get subsidies. But Obama and HHS have "ruled" that staffers will continue getting the same subsidy as the rest of the federal govt employees.

The language in the ACA is very clear cut. It's embarassing for congress because the Dems rammed it through without reading that this specific language was in the law.

Cruz also wants to show how expensive the ACA exchange plans are without subsidies. Even liberal vox.com today showed how expensive the ACA plans are for Cruz.

The ACA exchanges and paying full price for family of 4 are very expensive. Especially when compared to 2013 pre ACA plans. And please. Don't me give this crap about "junk" plans. Most of us self employed have business to run. We don't buy junk plans. We buy comorehensive healthcare plans. And pre ACA 2013 plans were significantly cheaper because of the a la carte way plans were offered. Not buying maternity coverage saved me $200-250/month (in addition to regular premiums) When my wife was having kids. We paid for that maternity rider for years regardless if we had kids or not. But once we were done with kids we dropped maternity coverage.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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People are missing the big point Cruz is making.

The law states congressman and their staff have to enroll in the exchanges.
No, they don't have to.

Cruz didn't have to. This was his best option.

He can say/proclaim whatever. But bottom line, it was his best choice.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The majority of Americans are political idiots who believe whatever a 30 second newscut tells them. That doesn't make them right. Again, the ones who actually pay attention realize that the Republicans were trying to negotiate while at the same time attempting to alleviate the disastrous effects of Obamacare. The ones who argue vehemently that the Democrats were not responsible for the shutdown are either not paying attention or they are partisan hacks who won't admit that Obama and the Democrats care nothing about legalities or the American people.
BBM~~ Please expound of these disastrous affects?? TYIA because by all resources..I have read..I do NOT see Disaster..but instead see releif and thankfulness for expansions of coverages ( prev. conditions etc) which prior were FAR too expensive and or denied coverages..pre-ACA..So please spell out these DISASTERS
 
Old 03-25-2015, 08:17 PM
 
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The majority of Americans are political idiots who believe whatever a 30 second newscut tells them. That doesn't make them right. Again, the ones who actually pay attention realize that the Republicans were trying to negotiate while at the same time attempting to alleviate the disastrous effects of Obamacare. The ones who argue vehemently that the Democrats were not responsible for the shutdown are either not paying attention or they are partisan hacks who won't admit that Obama and the Democrats care nothing about legalities or the American people.
Yeah, they were trying to negotiate, all right. And their negotiations went like this: Give us what we want or we'll shut down the government! They held one chamber of Congress but they felt like they should be in charge of the other chamber and the executive branch as well.

That's what the Republicans call negotiation.

No, Americans saw the truth despite all of the rightwing spin. They got it right.

Gee, there is Cruz is taking advantage of the "disastrous" Obamacare. Imagine that.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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If I am following you, it appears you are mistaken. The federal government continues to provide a benefit of premium subsidy to all their employees, including senators, reps and their aids.

In 1928, Congress passed legislation that required 24/7 availability of dedicated medical care was necessary for the President and Vice President and their immediate families.

The medical needs of the President and VP and their respective immediate families have been addressed by a teams of MDs, nurses, physician assistants and medics that travel with them at all times.

Do you think the next POTUS will waive this and instead, when necessary, hoof it over to the nearest urgent care center and take a number?
My research says otherwise. Please be so kind as to provide sources that support your assertion. Thanks.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 08:42 PM
 
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The majority of Americans are political idiots who believe whatever a 30 second newscut tells them. That doesn't make them right. Again, the ones who actually pay attention realize that the Republicans were trying to negotiate while at the same time attempting to alleviate the disastrous effects of Obamacare. The ones who argue vehemently that the Democrats were not responsible for the shutdown are either not paying attention or they are partisan hacks who won't admit that Obama and the Democrats care nothing about legalities or the American people.
You really expect someone to buy that one? Like they weren't following it at all? That's funny.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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Sounds like Rafael is not enjoying the laughter coming his way. Says he's still weighing his options. The GOP's probably trying to figure out how to buy him insurance.

Ted Cruz
 
Old 03-25-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Rafael's daddy (also Rafael) said back in 2013 that Obama should "go back to Kenya." That's very rich for a guy who came from Cuba and fought for the Commies. And for his son, who was not born in the United States and should therefore be just as ineligible as conservatives claim Obama should have been.
 
Old 03-25-2015, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Is quitting your job a qualifying event for COBRA?
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq-consumer-cobra.html
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