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Old 03-25-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Luxurious implies exclusivity or something not typically attained by the masses-that is obviously not the case. The title of the article is "Government Pays to House Poor in Luxury", which completely ignores the fact that the condo developer FIRST used public money which required him to set aside subsidized units.

It's not what is said, it's what is not said. People that deride poor people as leeches on our system are oblivious to the fact that there are much fatter and wealthier leeches that do far more harm than anyone without money could ever dream of.

To some right-wingers the condo developer is a heroic job creator whose wealth trickles down, while his tenants are leeches and horrible people.
aying its not typically attained by the masses would still be correct since we dont have "masses" living in section 8 housing.

The fact that he used public money, may or may not be relevant to the discussion because I think the argument being made by the OP is that it shouldnt take place. I dont think his argument is limited to just Section 8, its the whole gaming of the system, using section 8 as an example.

Here we have developers gaming the system as well. I'm sure the OP probably disagrees with that as well.
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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Luxurious implies exclusivity or something not typically attained by the masses-that is obviously not the case.
how is it not the case? they even call themselves 'luxury apartments.'

are you saying the majority of Americans - the masses - live in comparable housing?

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The title of the article is "Government Pays to House Poor in Luxury", which completely ignores the fact that the condo developer FIRST used public money which required him to set aside subsidized units. No condo developer-nothing to complain about.
the article clearly mentioned that public money was used. you even cited it yourself.

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It's not what is said, it's what is not said. People that deride poor people as leeches on our system are oblivious to the fact that there are much fatter and wealthier leeches that do far more harm than anyone without money could ever dream of.

To some right-wingers the condo developer is a heroic job creator whose wealth trickles down and brings puppies back to life, while his tenants are leeches and horrible people that maybe would change their ways if we reduce and cut what little they do have.
so no one complained about poor people after all, despite what you said earlier. agreed.

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The fact that he used public money, may or may not be relevant to the discussion because I think the argument being made by the OP is that it shouldnt take place. I dont think his argument is limited to just Section 8, its the whole gaming of the system, using section 8 as an example.

Here we have developers gaming the system as well. I'm sure the OP probably disagrees with that as well.
you are correct sir.
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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and how do they have 'no say in the matter'? is someone forcing them to live in these luxury apartments?
The developer is legally required to have a certain number of Section 8 tenants. So nobody is forcing people individually, but theoretically Section 8 tenants are being forced to live there via Government policy and this condo developer, that chose to receive public money knowing the legal requirements.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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aying its not typically attained by the masses would still be correct since we dont have "masses" living in section 8 housing.

The fact that he used public money, may or may not be relevant to the discussion because I think the argument being made by the OP is that it shouldnt take place. I dont think his argument is limited to just Section 8, its the whole gaming of the system, using section 8 as an example.

Here we have developers gaming the system as well. I'm sure the OP probably disagrees with that as well.
Well it's nice to see you admit that rich people are often leeches on the system.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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The developer is legally required to have a certain number of Section 8 tenants. So nobody is forcing people individually, but theoretically Section 8 tenants are being forced to live there via Government policy and this condo developer, that chose to receive public money knowing the legal requirements.
Of course they are legally required to, in the end of their financing arrangement, the developers will end up with a building paid for, by the taxpayers, worth millions.

Example of Democrats whining about trickle down, while supporting policies which result in it?
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:09 PM
 
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Well it's nice to see you admit that rich people are often leeches on the system.
never claimed they cant be. I object to programs like this for this very reason. I've used the programs, I've seen the gaming going on first hand.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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Of course they are legally required to, in the end of their financing arrangement, the developers will end up with a building paid for, by the taxpayers, worth millions.

Example of Democrats whining about trickle down, while supporting policies which result in it?
Meh... The whole tax credits to pay for affordable housing was a policy implemented by the Reagan administration. The alternative is to have government agencies build and maintain a lot of the housing stock. To tell you the truth housing is one thing the private sector does better than the government. Using incentives like tax credits to create affordable housing is much more cost effective than the government directly owning the units. The only problem is that the program doesn't create enough housing in most markets, and constant cutting of corporate tax rates has diminished the need for a lot of potential investors to buy them - CRA compliant banks swimming in money these days being the exception.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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take a look at these digs and see if you think anyone is going to be in a hurry to do (the above bolded).





Government pays to house poor in luxury apartments with pools, wine cellars | WashingtonExaminer.com

is this really what Section 8 was designed for?
Idiocy but that's the Left for you. What these type of programs do is actually make the situation worse. The people lucky enough to get an apartment will most likely never move or will do so for a long time. So you won't be helping many poor people at all. However you can't tell liberals anything since they know everything.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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The developer is legally required to have a certain number of Section 8 tenants. So nobody is forcing people individually, but theoretically Section 8 tenants are being forced to live there via Government policy and this condo developer, that chose to receive public money knowing the legal requirements.
sorry, I don't see how they are 'theoretically forced to live there.'

nothing whatsoever 'forces' them to live in these apartments.
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Old 03-25-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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Idiocy but that's the Left for you. What these type of programs do is actually make the situation worse. The people lucky enough to get an apartment will most likely never move or will do so for a long time. So you won't be helping many poor people at all. However you can't tell liberals anything since they know everything.
Yup! Leaders in Montgomery County are concerned about growing poverty (but didn't mainstream media say it was going down?!) in Silver Spring and Wheaton. Ironic that they're concerned since the leaders themselves advocate rezoning middle-income areas for public housing. But what do I know?
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