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Sweet Cakes By Melissa, Oregon Bakery. They were shut down so you should be happy.
So after civil rights laws were passed in the 1964, I wonder how many bakeries and other services and businesses decided they had no other choice other than to shut down, rather than serve Blacks and other races?
The bakery that was shut down had a cross hanging on the wall and framed writings from scripture. Where they stood was obvious.
That's not true. There are many Christian business owners who have crosses and scripture displayed, who don't have any problem with providing service and goods to gay people.
"There's nothing immoral about me telling you that you have to sell me whatever I want of yours or else I will get an armed posse to coerce you into on your own property. After all I have the majority on my side in this set of arbitrary boundary lines."
There's something immoral about you telling me that before you will sell me something that you are selling to the general public, that I have to comply with your religious beliefs or I will be denied those goods.
And if they justify their desire to discriminate against gays based on how grossly offensive their sex acts are, then how are they supposed to judge if their straight customers engage in sex acts they would also judge as grossly offensive?
Since they are not discriminating against anyone based on their sexual practices, it is a moot point. These religious merchants routinely sell products to homosexuals, without question, and are very pleased to do so.
It is the potential association with a ceremony that they find religiously offensive that is the issue here.
In fact, as far as I am aware, there are no major religions anywhere in the world that believe that people should be discriminated in the marketplace based on their sexual orientation. There is certainly nothing in the Bible that teaches that and I am not aware of any Christians that believe that this behavior is desirable or appropriate. So your post is completely misguided and wrong.
... America was founded by a bunch of religious people who wanted to establish religious freedom and protect their right to practice their faith without interference from the state.
The above statement is not true. Most of the "founding fathers" were educated men of the Age of Enlightenment and took a skeptical view of churches and religious dogmas. Ben Franklin (whose house would be a walking distance from my house) not a "religious" man. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible editing out all references to Jesus Christ, whom he did not believe in. Thomas Paine was an all out atheist.
Since Victorian times there has been some revisionists trying to push the idea the founding fathers were devout. Many of them did not "buy" Christianity and considered themselves Deists.
There's something immoral about you telling me that before you will sell me something that you are selling to the general public, that I have to comply with your religious beliefs or I will be denied those goods.
It very well could be but the question is, is the government capable or should they even be the morality police?
It very well could be but the question is, is the government capable or should they even be the morality police?
To which I would point out that it's the religious people who are trying to get the government to pass laws to protect them as they police the public's morality by punishing people who don't share their values. That's what refusing service is, a form of punishment, a sort of shunning. Morality policing in a nutshell.
It very well could be but the question is, is the government capable or should they even be the morality police?
IMO I don't think of this as a moral issue. Those are for religious organizations and not public ones. If you want to do business in the public domain, then you are expected to serve the public without imposing your personal (and sometimes religious) beliefs on said public. You should treat all customers the same. If your business sign says "Open" and a customer walks through the doors, they should be able to buy anything you offer for sale.
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