Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
To which I would point out that it's the religious people who are trying to get the government to pass laws to protect them as they police the public's morality by punishing people who don't share their values. That's what refusing service is, a form of punishment, a sort of shunning. Morality policing in a nutshell.
I disagree with the law and the laws that this law addresses. But that doesn't answer my question.
Shhhh..... there are some people who want to wallow in their righteous indignation without any push back.
I agree with you with the exception of adding the word SOME before Christians. There are actually a lot of Christians and Muslims and every other religion who are as disgusted by the actions of religious extremists as you are. As we all should be and hopefully will be one day.
You are correct. I should have added some before Christian, I do know many wonderful christians that do not support the actions of the other Christians on this topic.
IMO I don't think of this as a moral issue. Those are for religious organizations and not public ones. If you want to do business in the public domain, then you are expected to serve the public without imposing your personal (and sometimes religious) beliefs on said public. You should treat all customers the same. If your business sign says "Open" and a customer walks through the doors, they should be able to buy anything you offer for sale.
Laws can't force anyone to treat everyone the same.
Except that is exactly the opposite of what is happening. In the case of the pizza shop, the Christian owner was the one who needed protection from the homo-fascist bullies, who conspired together to harass her, ruin her business and threaten her life. She has had to shut down her business as a result.
So clearly, you are projecting the agenda of the homosexual bullies and the left onto Christians and the right. But regardless of how you try to spin it, the thugs here are the homo-fascists who attacked this woman, threatened her life and worked together to ruin her business.
No Christians that I am aware of have done anything like that to homosexuals here in this country, and I do not believe you can provide an example where they have.
The pizza shop that's netted tens of thousands of dollars with a gofundme website?
Except that is exactly the opposite of what is happening. In the case of the pizza shop, the Christian owner was the one who needed protection from the homo-fascist bullies, who conspired together to harass her, ruin her business and threaten her life. She has had to shut down her business as a result.
So clearly, you are projecting the agenda of the homosexual bullies and the left onto Christians and the right. But regardless of how you try to spin it, the thugs here are the homo-fascists who attacked this woman, threatened her life and worked together to ruin her business.
No Christians that I am aware of have done anything like that to homosexuals here in this country, and I do not believe you can provide an example where they have.
As for what Christians have done to homosexuals, I have to say that as a society we have labelled them as mentally ill and marginalized them historically. This kind of systemic discrimination does a tremendous amount of harm. It may be harm that you concur with as should be happening, but I don't think that that is a Christian position as much as a homophobic position. Live and let live. Viva la difference!
Is the government being the morality police here? Or is the government being the equality police?
What I replied to said it was an issue of morality.
Quote:
From what I've read in these threads, this is exactly the basic disagreement - some people see these laws as a question of the free expression of a personal religious belief while some people see these laws as a question of whether one citizen's money is as good as any other citizen's.
I see it as an issue of whether or not the government should be the one deciding stuff like this.
Quote:
I come down on the side of any citizen's money is as good as any other citizen's. Because we have no evidence that the government is trying to shut down churches or newspapers or TV/radio stations or internet web sites or arrest people who are opposed to gay marriage in particular or gay rights in general.
So if it's for a gay wedding I can't say no, but if a guy comes in with tattoo's on his face and I don't care for him, I can say no?
Except that is exactly the opposite of what is happening. In the case of the pizza shop, the Christian owner was the one who needed protection from the homo-fascist bullies, who conspired together to harass her, ruin her business and threaten her life. She has had to shut down her business as a result.
I didn't follow that story but people have an actual right to protest actions they do not like.
In their private life, no. In the running of a public entity, sure can.
"Sorry, I can't get to that order at this time, busy". The only thing the law can do is stop people from being blunt.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
