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Iran has crappy anti-air defense system. The blow back would not be major
That is true today about the crappy air-defense system. But as I understand things the arms embargo to Iran has been lifted and Russia is going to send the S-300 anti aircraft missiles to Iran as has been on the board for a long time. If they do then its a whole different ball game. That is why I think that Israel will act before Iran gets those missiles.
Sorry I am late to this thread, but the bottom line is that Israel has no capacity. Iran learned from the bombings of Iraq and Syria (which is still a semi-secret) and took moves to make their program safe by building underground, using multiple locations, and keeping some locations uber-secret.
Also, Israel is just too far away.
World War III is coming, and unfortunately, it is coming with an Iranian bomb.
It is different with nuclear facilities. They can't move them around and none are secret.
You are incorrect. Israel does have the capability. They do not need substantial support to do. Do you even know how many refueling planes Israel has? You assume they have only a couple. Aviation electronic countermeasures is something Israel excels very well at. Pilot rescue capability? I'm not sure where you get your info from but it is incorrect. Israel had all these things 5 years ago.
Yes, I do know how many refueling planes they have and this information is public. With so few refueling planes, Israel does not have the means to launch multiple strikes against Iran as needed. So with this, a close support staging area, like in Kuwait, would be needed to refuel and strike, return to refuel, and go home, or, Israel get refueling support from other countries.
Of course they can launch a strike within the capabilities of what they have, but that would not be enough to accomplish what they want to accomplish. There are three critical areas to strike, so they could just limit themselves to those areas, however, this would delay Iran's program, not totally destroy it, and that is provided they strike the target and damages it as hoped for. The key is to substantially delay Iran's program, not just set it back a little.
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Saudi Arabia has already said it can use it airspace for whatever. So no they would not have to go home to refuel. No the US doesn't need to aid in pilot rescue at all. Serious I don't know where you get your information from but it is not correct. I don't know why you think Israel doesn't have aviation base countermeasures capability. You are aware that Israel proves the US with such info about other countries air defense system. Intel for targets? Dude you are making me laugh now. Everything you said is not true.
I did not state to "go home and refuel", I said they could use Arabia or Kuwait to refuel, so aerial refueling would not be an issue.
As for pilot rescue, yea, they would need assistance, or do you think Israel is going to be able to fly helicopters deep into Iranian territory for pilot extraction? Israel's electronic countermeasures are not up to speed and there never has been a need to invest in them, however in this case, they would be needed to counter the multi-layered anti air defense system Iran has. While Iran's system is old, it is effective in defense on its territory, enough to make Israel have to really think about attacking that is, or they would have done it a long time ago.
You are aware that Israel proves the US with such info about other countries air defense system. Intel for targets?
The US has the most advanced intel system in the world, and Israel does not even have close to the intel capabilities the US has. To even think otherwise is rather laughable. Israel has a couple of light weight aerial intel craft and that is it, and other than that, their intel is being fed from external sources, so again, that is support from others.
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There are many countries against Iran and are working with Saudi and Israel on plans against Iran.
Well, what is stopping from any of those striking Iran? Why is Saudi Arabia not striking Iran? Saudi Arabia has a couple of hundred fighter and ground attack aircraft, why are they not striking Iran?
Exactly, many Arab leaders. It is in the best economic and egocentric interests of those Arab leaders to side with Israel (which for all practical purposes, means siding with The US government). However, the overwhelming majority of Arabs in the countries they lead, as well as most Muslims worldwide, will not perceive such an alliance positively.
They are siding because of a common enemy (Iran). These Arab aren't waiting or even trusting the US now days. Arabs within those countries do view it positively because it is Iran. Iran is the threat to them.
Sooner or later, Israel will attack and the public reaction from the Arab world will be outrage, but behind the scenes they will all be taking a sigh of relief.
Only about twenty percent of the world's Muslims live in Arab nations, and the vast majority of Muslims--Arab or not-- are impoverished by world standards. Sighs of relief may come from well-to-do Arabs in the monarchies, but most of Islam will be legitimately and deeply angered. This will be the perfect way to create even more intifadists.
Only about twenty percent of the world's Muslims live in Arab nations, and the vast majority of Muslims--Arab or not-- are impoverished by world standards. Sighs of relief may come from well-to-do Arabs in the monarchies, but most of Islam will be legitimately and deeply angered. This will be the perfect way to create even more intifadists.
Iran has crappy anti-air defense system. The blow back would not be major
There air defense system is not the best, but more than adequate for defense on its territory. Put it this way; if this is such an "easy" task, why all the talk? Why does Israel not just go and do it and quit talking about it? Why does Saudi Arabia not just go do it if Iran is such a large threat?
The answer is because it is not an easy task, and the blow back is substantial if this happens, this is why everyone is trying to talk their way to solve the problem instead of just bombing and getting it over with. This is why Bibi was over in the US giving his speech, and why all these back door agreements with air space use and who knows what else are going on. If it was a simple case of "bomb and go home", none of the above would be going on.
Absolutely. The Saudis for example have stated publicly that they have no interest in seeing a nuclear Iran, and will themselves pursue nukes if Iran gets them. That's all we need a nuclear arms race in one of the most irrational trigger happy regions in the world.
Why does Saudi Arabia not just bomb Iran then? If it is so easy as everyone claims, why is Saudi Arabia not doing it if Iran is such a threat?
Don't forget that Iran funds Hamas and other Shia boy groups that perpetuate the Palestinian conflict, kill innocent Jews and Palestinians and prevent a Palestinian state from formation.
fyi: Hamas is Sunni so its a frenemy of Iran.
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