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Old 05-12-2015, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Do you similarly dismiss something that happened in Germany and Poland 70-80 years ago?
No, but I'm not going to speculate on how the current crop of politicians would have handled it.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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No, but I'm not going to speculate on how the current crop of politicians would have handled it.
OK, then why not speculate on how Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power would have handled the Rwanda genocide? All three have been Obama administration officials, two of them were policymakers during the Rwanda genocide, and one wrote a book about the Rwanda genocide and the article that I cited. Both Susan and Samantha are obvious choices for Hillary to appoint if she is elected president. This is my question, what would Hillary and her advisors do in a similar situation?
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Did Bill Clinton drop the ball during the Rwandan genocide?
No.

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Old 05-13-2015, 02:10 AM
 
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It was to be expected.

"Never again" applied to those in whom the U.S. has an interest. That was noble chatter...nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 05-13-2015, 04:19 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Better question: What would Hillary do? Or Susan?
Funny you don't seem to care about what Marco, Jeb, or Rafael would do, eh?
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Old 05-13-2015, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Not our country, not our continent, not our problem. Not worth the life of an American serviceman.

One of the few things Clinton did right was to not waste American lives there. Too bad we felt the need to interfere in Somalia and lost lives.
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Better question: What would Hillary do? Or Susan?
Or Rand Paul or other candidates promoting non-intervention?

What have we done about Congo, where 5 million people have been killed over the last 15 years?
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:07 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The United Nations dropped the ball. The USA is not the police of the world and should stop acting like it. We need to close the international military bases unless those nations are willing to pay for our services.
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Gone
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During the 1992 Vice Presidential debate, Vice President Dan Quayle said the following:



Dan Quayle was right. In April-May 1994 nearly 800,000 ethnic Tutsis were slaughtered by the ruling Hutus in Rwanda. The world sat on its heels and did nothing and years later President Bill Clinton expressed shock when a New Yorker article presented the inconvenient and gory facts.

- Samantha Power, "Bystanders to Genocide: Why the United States let the Rwandan Tragedy Happen", The Atlantic Monthly, September 2001.

In the article Power, the current US. Ambassador to the United Nations, says that the Clinton Administration was hesitant to use the "g-word" for fear of being obligated to do something. Also, then U.S. Security Council member Susan Rice (where have we heard that name before?) hinted that the Clintons may have been worried about the effect of any action in Rwanda on the upcoming midterm elections in November 1994.

I wonder what kind of advice Bill got from Hillary.
Depends on if one believes that we the USA is the worlds Police force. The fact of the matter is that is what the Useless Nations is supposed to deal with and they have been a miserable failure, why that organization is still operating is beyond me. That said I do believe that there are times when the US and other Nations should act to stop acts of genocide being committed and in many cases it would not involve the us of massive armed intervention, with Rwanda I believe we could have sent in a Battalion of Marines or Army Airborne and stopped the killing simply by our presence there. Thing is the US and the rest of the world rarely puts troops on the ground when there is not some vested interest in the place, Rwanda has nothing we want or need so hence we did nothing, that is wrong in my opinion.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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During the 1992 Vice Presidential debate, Vice President Dan Quayle said the following:



Dan Quayle was right. In April-May 1994 nearly 800,000 ethnic Tutsis were slaughtered by the ruling Hutus in Rwanda. The world sat on its heels and did nothing and years later President Bill Clinton expressed shock when a New Yorker article presented the inconvenient and gory facts.

- Samantha Power, "Bystanders to Genocide: Why the United States let the Rwandan Tragedy Happen", The Atlantic Monthly, September 2001.

In the article Power, the current US. Ambassador to the United Nations, says that the Clinton Administration was hesitant to use the "g-word" for fear of being obligated to do something. Also, then U.S. Security Council member Susan Rice (where have we heard that name before?) hinted that the Clintons may have been worried about the effect of any action in Rwanda on the upcoming midterm elections in November 1994.

I wonder what kind of advice Bill got from Hillary.
In 1994, the Clintons were too busy dealing with Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit (he eventually settled out of court for $850,000) to worry about a few Africans getting chopped to death.
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