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Old 06-12-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I don't see how. The countries that have national healthcare have VAT taxes ranging from 10% to 20%+ to pay for it. Do you think Americans would agree to burden the middle class and below with taxes that will hit them the hardest to fund national health care?
Simple. Money. It all boils down to money. National healthcare systems are cheaper. Healthcare in the US is pushing 20% of GDP. The tipping point is approaching.

Think of a sliding scale based on income. Medicare already has a variation of it today.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Wow...the uninformed information here is amazing.

#1 the supreme court has already ruled the ACA constitutional. Period.
They ruled the penalty was constitutional. Now, they have to look at the constitutionality of a law that was written specifically to NOT treat all equally.

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#2 WORST case is they will say only state ran exchanges get subsidies.....thats it.
Not really. There have already been murmurs about the restrictions on subsidies causing the law to be unconstitutional.

The surprising issue that could determine Obamacare
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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What part of "statements made by members of congress" dd you miss?
"Statements made by members of Congress" weren't voted into law. The specific language of the ACA was.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:31 PM
 
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Last year the court ruled 9-0 that the Administration can't just ignore or change laws they do not like. They would have to rule the exact opposite to rule for Obamacare here.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Just like with the medicaid in only some states...thats by those states CHOICE.
Take a look very carefully at exactly WHY SCOTUS ruled that not all states had to expand Medicaid to comply with the ACA.

Hint: unconstitutional coercion.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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Simple. Money. It all boils down to money. National healthcare systems are cheaper. Healthcare in the US is pushing 20% of GDP. The tipping point is approaching.

Think of a sliding scale based on income. Medicare already has a variation of it today.
I know health care is costly. That's why the countries that have national health care charge everyone VAT taxes. We'll have to do the same in the US if people want national health care.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:39 PM
 
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True, but note that they STILL need the regressive VAT taxes to fund their social programs.
I'm not against the idea of everyone being invested into the system.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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Actually the Court does have a choice, it can review the law based upon legislative intent or it could use strict scrutiny. Legislative intent would look at the law in its entirety including statements made members of Congress and the Executive branch. Under strict scrutiny the Court would rule based upon exactly what the law states. Which they will go with is the $64,000 question (that should be subjected to inflation).



Intent would be the force of coercion being wrought upon the States.....as stated in the Law.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:10 PM
 
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Take a look very carefully at exactly WHY SCOTUS ruled that not all states had to expand Medicaid to comply with the ACA.

Hint: unconstitutional coercion.
Quite the stretch to argue though for this. Seriously.

But again....the supreme court doing anything at this point will truly damage Republicans. With a inability to fux something they can fix with a one or two sentence bill.....people are going to get really tired of Republicans not governing.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I know health care is costly. That's why the countries that have national health care charge everyone VAT taxes. We'll have to do the same in the US if people want national health care.
And yet, based on many other countries experiences with national healthcare systems, the US could spend 30%-50% less than it currently does on healthcare with a national system. No VAT needed.
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