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He had the power to do healthcare as he promised as candidate Obama.
No he didn't. A president whether they were Democratic-Republican, Federalist, Democrat, Whig, Republican or non-affilitated don't have a whole lot of power. They can cheerlead from the bully pulpit all they want until it is on their desk to sign, veto or pocket veto. That is ALL they can do without going into executive order (something ALL presidents regardless of party have done from time-to-time.)
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Originally Posted by wutitiz
The law specifically defined "state" as the 50 states+DC.
Moreover, the Act elsewhere defines “State” so as to exclude the federal government from that definition
Don't matter what you and I may think, it is in the SCOTUS' lap so they can go by the law's definition or the generally accepted legal definition. They are the ones who interpret the law, NOT US.
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Originally Posted by JAMS14
The only power he had was to sign what was able to make it to his desk. And like it or not, the ACA was it.
Exactly, the President is rarely hands on in bill writing. Studying government in high school, even middle school tells you that.
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Originally Posted by earthlyfather
What if the Supremes rule against Burwell, essentially eviscerating Ocare. In the aftermath, Congress passes a voucher type transfer program modeled more or less on the current subsidy model; poverty level definition and ceiling and subsidy amounts staying about the same. The money is just 'passed' to the recipients in some way, with the intent to be to enable the recipients to buy insurance on the open market.
Two years after the new 'transfer' program begins statistics show that only 63% of the original subsidy class actually buy insurance.
What does that say?
About (fill in the blank)?
The problem here is insurance agencies are still in charge. If they want to raise rates, they raise 'em. If they want to end plans, they end 'em. It's basically the pre-Obamacare set up again except you get vouchers rather than subsidies and plans can change or be canceled by the insurer at the end of the year.
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He had the power to do the bill as he said he would. He said it would be posted on the internet for all to read before anything was signed. He had the power to do that.
Not really. He at best had what 12/13 days for people to read it if it was online. It would have been on CONGRESS to do that rather than Obama. Wasn't it House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who said we had to pass it to know what was in it?
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Blame, or credit? GOP won the House in 2010 largely due to opposition to ACA, and the Senate in 2014, again largely due to opposition to ACA. Keep the 'blame' coming.
Well chuckles, I think the president's plan wasn't what congress passed. Seems it went back and forth and got amended and changed a bit before it got to his desk for a signature.
Thought you knew that. Must not have been paying attention.
They will iff it costs them a majority in a house of congress (if not both) and/or the white house by not offering a solution or just offering the same idea with a few tweaks (stateline selling for instance.)
If it comes to that, I think a bunch of them will. Not all, of course. But the election map for next year looks as bad for the Pubs as last year's did for the Dems. They aren't going to welcome being on the wrong side of popular sentiment.
Please link to a source that claims Americans are 100% insured. It's a noble goal, though. One that a single payer system would achieve.
Thank you.
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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
Yes, I understand (post 224) that the left will lie and attempt to blame the right, it may happen, but only if grubers, such as you really believe the lie...
Well chuckles, I think the president's plan wasn't what congress passed. Seems it went back and forth and got amended and changed a bit before it got to his desk for a signature.
Thought you knew that. Must not have been paying attention.
Glad to see you admit it was all a lie, and that is what you voted for. How does it feel?
No he didn't. A president whether they were Democratic-Republican, Federalist, Democrat, Whig, Republican or non-affilitated don't have a whole lot of power. They can cheerlead from the bully pulpit all they want until it is on their desk to sign, veto or pocket veto. That is ALL they can do without going into executive order (something ALL presidents regardless of party have done from time-to-time.)
He did but your argument boils down to the idea that he lied through his teeth just to get elected. If that's what you want to go with, it's just as bad.
He did but your argument boils down to the idea that he lied through his teeth just to get elected. If that's what you want to go with, it's just as bad.
If you truly went through government in high school (I didn't as I did contemporary business instead, but alas I know this) you would know that a president truly doesn't do much in most bill writing and passing except for the bully pulpit to push and promote the bill as well as the hand to grab the pen to sign it or the stamp to veto it. I highly doubt he did anything more than that and I am NOT a Obama fan.
If you truly went through government in high school (I didn't as I did contemporary business instead, but alas I know this) you would know that a president truly doesn't do much in most bill writing and passing except for the bully pulpit to push and promote the bill as well as the hand to grab the pen to sign it or the stamp to veto it. I highly doubt he did anything more than that and I am NOT a Obama fan.
He promised to list the bill for all to read before signing anything. That was entirely in his power.
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