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Old 06-11-2015, 12:42 PM
 
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Like any government program, it cannot be undone.

It's all shows that the politicians want the mass believe they are doing something for the voters.
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Old 06-11-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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If the supremes trash the ACA, it'll go worse for the Pubs than for the Dems. Accordingly, this GOP majority court will not overturn it.
Even though the republicans had nothing to do with writing or passing the ACA?

Typical of politics, the politicians who are directly cause of the problems never get the blame.

The ACA is a horrible law, it needs to die a quick death, never to see the light of day again
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Old 06-11-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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They carry a very similar fee schedule, but we're talking about the billed rates.

If I bill Medicare $100 and they pay $10, that means I'm out $90 and need to pass it onto the next person.

The fact that the next person is an insurance company and pays $10, means I'm now out $180.

If the procedure costs me $50 to do, I now need to overbill cash payers.. hence the billed variance.
You are speaking in reality, liberals and politicians only understand Utopian rhetoric where everything they imagine works our perfectly, and if it doesn't then it becuse we need to pour more money and rhetoric into it.
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:03 PM
 
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OK, here's post #52:



Please point out the part(s) you're struggling with and I'll be glad to clarify it for you.

I see, so pointing out the law as written is right wing. So what is left wing then? Is left wing writing a rough draft, passing it into law, and simply allow the president and his admin just change the law and make up all the rest as they see fit?
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I bet Sanders would.....
Sanders would but it is all about what comes across the presidents desk at the end of the day. Congress is the one who writes, committees, votes, amends and passes the bills on to the president. All the president can do is sign and cheerlead.

As for ObamaCare, it shouldn't be ruled unconstitutional because it is widely known that state means government in a legal sense. If it is ruled unconstitutional though, they aren't united enough on a truly different proposal.
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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Is left wing writing a rough draft, passing it into law, and simply allow the president and his admin just change the law and make up all the rest as they see fit?
Yep, and if their brief isn't right when something goes to the SC, they will rewrite that for them too
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Sanders would but it is all about what comes across the presidents desk at the end of the day. Congress is the one who writes, committees, votes, amends and passes the bills on to the president. All the president can do is sign and cheerlead.

As for ObamaCare, it shouldn't be ruled unconstitutional because it is widely known that state means government in a legal sense. If it is ruled unconstitutional though, they aren't united enough on a truly different proposal.
Yup. Too few here do not comprehend how little actual power a president has. The insanity where they blame obama for everything shows that over and over.
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Old 06-11-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Yup. Too few here do not comprehend how little actual power a president has. The insanity where they blame obama for everything shows that over and over.
He had the power to do healthcare as he promised as candidate Obama.
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Old 06-11-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Could Obama's healthcare be gone?


Three weeks before an expected Supreme Court ruling that could strike down Obamacare subsidies for 6.4 million Americans, President Barack Obama and Republican foes began to blame each other for the possible damage.

Read more: Obama and GOP amp up rhetoric as Supreme Court nears Obamacare decision - Jennifer Haberkorn and Sarah Wheaton - POLITICO

So, who will this effect: Mostly the states who don't have the healthcare exchange.
Here is a map...
If Supreme Court rules against Obamacare, few states are ready for the fallout - LA Times
It isn't going away. People may as well kick back and enjoy the show.

However, to believe the end result will ever be to scrap the healthcare, one only need to be aware of the global strategic moves, to realize that would be a false belief.
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Old 06-11-2015, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Sanders would but it is all about what comes across the presidents desk at the end of the day. Congress is the one who writes, committees, votes, amends and passes the bills on to the president. All the president can do is sign and cheerlead.

As for ObamaCare, it shouldn't be ruled unconstitutional because it is widely known that state means government in a legal sense. If it is ruled unconstitutional though, they aren't united enough on a truly different proposal.
The law specifically defined "state" as the 50 states+DC.

In King v. Burwell, an easy answer to the ACA's definition of "exchange" | Brookings Institution

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Moreover, the Act elsewhere defines “State” so as to exclude the federal government from that definition
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