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Old 03-09-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Repubs dumber than rocks.


"Dems" lving in fantasy land and not in touch with reality. Lying and misleading has become their strategy as they embrace unethical behavior to install their ideology at the expense of the nation.


Trump is the primal scream that trumpets the first breath of the birth of intolerance toward career pols.


When some pol tells us 'we have to pass it to see what is in it' and legislators pass legislation without reading or understanding its implications, the seeds of 'revolution' have sprouted. Partner to the unethical behavior of the Dems during the last two obama terms is the media turned propaganda machine. the loss of the free press sends a chilling message that the government is no longer by the people and for the people.


Trump is the act of calling artillery in on our own overrun position.


Most of the the items you mentioned have been put in retrograde during obama's regime as he did everything he could to divide the nation.


The repubs failed us cosmically but the Dems have been bent on destroying the nation.
I agree. Trump is "danger close." But, it should send a message to the people we elect, all of them, that they are not so great we won't raise up against them.

I say this as someone who isn't really a Trump aupporter. I see him as a stove burner that has been recently turned off; I'm not sure how bad It will burn me, if it will.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:01 PM
 
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I am asking this question because I noticed the Republicans have not delivered their constituents anything they promised:

1) Immigration - Establishment Republicans tell their constituents that they will control immigration. Instead they begin to expand it and have plans to give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Republicans certainly have no intention of cutting down on H1B visas.

2) Gay Marriage/Transgender rights - Republicans more or less caved on this and are being steamrolled by the Democrats.

3) Trade - Republicans expand trade further and hurt their working class constituents. When their constituents complained, they are called socialists and told to shape up or stay unemployed.

4) Abortion - LOL is all I have to say about this.

5) Foreign Policy - Establishment Republicans want more war in the Middle East and possibly Asia while their constituents don't really care about these regions.

Call out the Democrats for their policies but you can't deny the Democrats have delivered on their promises to their constituents even if they are half baked. Gay marriage, health care reform, racial issues, expansion of welfare, and climate change/environmentalism have all made considerable progress under Obama while the Republicans have been on the defensive. Do conservatives want to continue to support a political party that is constantly on the defensive?
Great! Dump the establishment 'republicans" and vote for Trump.

Everyone, regardless of whether democrat or republican, is fed up with politicians who sell us out for personal gain to lobbyists or whoever makes them the best offer.

It is time for either a revolution by the electorate, or an actual revolution.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:02 PM
 
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The problem with that line of reasoning is that there's a perfectly suitable anti-establishment candidate in the race. What is the point of sending a message by nominating a sure-fire loser nut case? That kind of knee-jerk petulance might have been justified in 2012, but this time we actually have the option we've been asking for for decades.
Trump supporters don't think Cruz is hard enough on immigration. A lot of Trump supporters are fearful that more immigration will mean a more liberal country.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Gun rights is the only reason I vote republican... but since Sanders won't take our guns away (and his voting record actually shows as much) , and I really think he's going to beat Hillary when you exclude the super-delegates.. I know it sounds strange of me but I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination.

I want to see him take on wall street and the big banks, plus he's the only candidate that says he'll decriminalize marijuana. I'm tired of all these old drug war fighting establishment politicians.

It's down to him or Trump for me... I don't support any of the other candidates.. they are all in bed, sleeping with each other, part of the corrupt establishment.. plus I don't want evangelicals in office that are going to legislate morality on us, or cut taxes on capital gains (useless for the average person) .. maybe if they said they were going to cut the 25% and 28% tax brackets I'd be more inclined to support them... I'll give Bush credit for cutting these brackets, and Obama credit for not increasing them back up when he increased the top ones. I do realize a Sanders vote means across the board tax increases, he himself has stated as much...

Trump is what I've heard called "Russian Roulette" not quite sure what you're gonna get. He's certainly not as right wing as the republicans would like, which is partly why I support him... I don't like how he said marijuana legalization in Colorado has caused "lots of problems" but fails to state what they are though.

I want greater personal liberty, and republicans and democrats don't provide it, at least not the establishment ones.

That leaves Sanders.... and Trump.... maybe...


Here's how it breaks down though...

Trump vs Hillary.. Trump wins, due to increased voter turnout, and stealing votes from democrats

Any other republican vs. Hillary... Hillary wins. Perhaps Rubio and/or Kasich had a chance, but they are not the second place candidate, Cruz is, and Cruz will not beat Hillary.

Sanders vs. any republican candidate, Sanders wins, though it's more unknown if he would beat trump, since trump is actually more liberal than most people realize. People underestimate how many socialists there are among millennials.. plus it doesn't hurt he doesn't want to take our guns... I can handle Sanders or Trump in there, to make things interesting. I want to see them debate one another.

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Old 03-09-2016, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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At what point can the intelligent among us come together and simply agree that the political class on both sides have deceived us? It isn't about left and right, it's about right and wrong.

BOTH parties have abandoned their obligations to manage this country as servants of the people.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It's down to him or Trump for me... I don't support any of the other candidates.. they are all in bed, sleeping with each other, part of the corrupt establishment.
If this is the case it seems to me the fact that the establishment hates Cruz would make a case for him.

I'm not sure that morality has been foisted on anyone, from either party, for decades. At this point I don't want immorality legislated on me, as has been the case in recent decades.

They hand out condoms to elementary school kids, and then dictate sexual rules on college students (adults) which is bat sh%$ crazy!


BTW... Trump is a media wh@re, and the media powers are playing him and his followers like a fiddle.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Dothan AL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ5RZWttmoA
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:11 PM
 
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Delivered nothing ? What if I'm not looking for a handout ?
Then you aren't corporate America, or a member of the military industrial complex.

Despite your assumptions, Democrats are not generally thinking about handouts, but rather many are thinking about what would be good for our country as a whole.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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Repubs dumber than rocks.


"Dems" lving in fantasy land and not in touch with reality. Lying and misleading has become their strategy as they embrace unethical behavior to install their ideology at the expense of the nation.


Trump is the primal scream that trumpets the first breath of the birth of intolerance toward career pols.


When some pol tells us 'we have to pass it to see what is in it' and legislators pass legislation without reading or understanding its implications, the seeds of 'revolution' have sprouted. Partner to the unethical behavior of the Dems during the last two obama terms is the media turned propaganda machine. the loss of the free press sends a chilling message that the government is no longer by the people and for the people.


Trump is the act of calling artillery in on our own overrun position.


Most of the the items you mentioned have been put in retrograde during obama's regime as he did everything he could to divide the nation.


The repubs failed us cosmically but the Dems have been bent on destroying the nation.
Well put all the way around! The crazy "no-nothings" vs. "The lying ideologues"
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:22 PM
 
Location: USA
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Trump supporters don't think Cruz is hard enough on immigration. A lot of Trump supporters are fearful that more immigration will mean a more liberal country.
Whats interesting to me is most of the people coming here aren't actually Liberal
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