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Old 03-10-2016, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Only peasants look to their king to "do something" for them. How about just staying out of my way and out of my pocket. That is all I ask.
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Old 03-10-2016, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Here in NC the GOP is running on lowering taxes and raising teacher salaries.

Reality is top of the income earners see 2.3 billion cut in taxes while the people who voted for them get an increase. They also get an increase in property taxes, sales taxes, services taxed at the sales tax rate, cable,tv,phone taxes, which in some cases have doubled. Every fee (GOP for taxes) has gone up some as much as 100%.

We then get to vote on an infrastructure bond of 2 Billion. If there was a proper progressive tax system instead of this flat tax we would not need that bond. That's the GOP cut taxes on the people who do not need the cut and tax the heck out of those who can least afford it.

Sounds like Southern Europe to me.
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Old 03-10-2016, 07:18 AM
 
Location: NC
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This is why we have Trump
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Old 03-10-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I am asking this question because I noticed the Republicans have not delivered their constituents anything they promised:

1) Immigration - Establishment Republicans tell their constituents that they will control immigration. Instead they begin to expand it and have plans to give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Republicans certainly have no intention of cutting down on H1B visas.

2) Gay Marriage/Transgender rights - Republicans more or less caved on this and are being steamrolled by the Democrats.

3) Trade - Republicans expand trade further and hurt their working class constituents. When their constituents complained, they are called socialists and told to shape up or stay unemployed.

4) Abortion - LOL is all I have to say about this.

5) Foreign Policy - Establishment Republicans want more war in the Middle East and possibly Asia while their constituents don't really care about these regions.

Call out the Democrats for their policies but you can't deny the Democrats have delivered on their promises to their constituents even if they are half baked. Gay marriage, health care reform, racial issues, expansion of welfare, and climate change/environmentalism have all made considerable progress under Obama while the Republicans have been on the defensive. Do conservatives want to continue to support a political party that is constantly on the defensive?
And this is why I am an independent, and why I support Trump.

1. We have allowed enough illegal immigrants to become citizens that they have become their own voting block. In 1986, Reagan, who was otherwise a decent president, gave amnesty to 3 million, monolithic illegal immigrants, who then multiplied and formed a voting block that caused our politicians to be even more lenient on MORE illegal immigrants.

Think about how quickly they went from being a small minority to the largest minority. In my lifetime, they went from being under 5% of the population! to 17% of the population. Now we have 10 million illegal immigrants and most of our politicians on both sides of the aisle, want to give THEM amnesty.

If we do that, when THEY multiply and form a giant voting block, then we end up with no more border at all. They will be such a large voting block, that nothing will be able to stop them from setting the government policies that they want in place. It will lead to completely open borders. It will lead to a takeover, without a single shot being fired. The US will have completely lost it's sovereignty.

There is only one candidate who has made this the cornerstone of their platform. One candidate that is not pandering to this voting block while there is still time to stop it from dominating.


2. Gay rights? As a doctor, I am constantly weighing risks vs benefits. Gay rights have no impact on me. It doesn't hurt me in any way. I know it is an affront to some people, but they have to just get over it if they want to live in a free society. Unlike illegal immigration, which has a huge economic impact on the country, gay rights have no economic impact.

It leads the GOP to lose votes, with no real gain. (i.e. Risks vs Benefits)


3. Like illegal immigration, this is something I have seen spiral out of control in my lifetime. Globalization is the root cause of the widening of the income gap. We had all the resources in the world at our disposal, and we allowed our corporations to give it all away. Democrats are largely responsible. Carter had his trilateral commission, Clinton had NAFTA. But republicans did nothing to stop it, and they often promote it as strongly as the democrats.


4. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get an abortion. I know there are strong views on this, but the vast majority supports abortion rights, and nothing is going to change that. That ship sailed in 1973. Even before that, rich people still got abortions in other countries. It was only poor people that had to choose between having a baby they didn't want or couldn't afford, or going to some back alley with a fake doctor and a coat hanger.

The GOP serves themselves well by no longer pandering to the ever decreasing religious right.


5. It is not as simple as that. I agree that we involve ourselves in too many unnecessary wars. Wars where the outcomes are worse than what we had prior to our involvement. That said, our global involvement plays a key role in our economy. The US dollar is the world's reserve currency, and that is what keeps it so strong in the face of 19 trillion dollars in debt and a seemingly endless printing press. I'm going to be a little bit selfish in saying that the benefits of our global presence outweighs the risks of our withdrawal.

We just need to pick and choose our battles much more wisely than we have in recent decades.

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Old 03-10-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I am asking this question because I noticed the Republicans have not delivered their constituents anything they promised:

1) Immigration - Establishment Republicans tell their constituents that they will control immigration. Instead they begin to expand it and have plans to give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Republicans certainly have no intention of cutting down on H1B visas.

2) Gay Marriage/Transgender rights - Republicans more or less caved on this and are being steamrolled by the Democrats.

3) Trade - Republicans expand trade further and hurt their working class constituents. When their constituents complained, they are called socialists and told to shape up or stay unemployed.

4) Abortion - LOL is all I have to say about this.

5) Foreign Policy - Establishment Republicans want more war in the Middle East and possibly Asia while their constituents don't really care about these regions.

Call out the Democrats for their policies but you can't deny the Democrats have delivered on their promises to their constituents even if they are half baked. Gay marriage, health care reform, racial issues, expansion of welfare, and climate change/environmentalism have all made considerable progress under Obama while the Republicans have been on the defensive. Do conservatives want to continue to support a political party that is constantly on the defensive?
The Republicans are a failed political party in my opinion. So are the Democrats, but they manage to be all things to everyone and to be on all sides of all issues, so their survival is more likely.

America would be better off if both of the big two parties just died. Let new ideas and new blood take over. I was essentially raised Republican and have since been completely disillusioned. Both parties are equally bad and equally useless. That's why I'm a Libertarian.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:16 AM
 
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I am asking this question because I noticed the Republicans have not delivered their constituents anything they promised:

1) Immigration - Establishment Republicans tell their constituents that they will control immigration. Instead they begin to expand it and have plans to give a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Republicans certainly have no intention of cutting down on H1B visas.

2) Gay Marriage/Transgender rights - Republicans more or less caved on this and are being steamrolled by the Democrats.

3) Trade - Republicans expand trade further and hurt their working class constituents. When their constituents complained, they are called socialists and told to shape up or stay unemployed.

4) Abortion - LOL is all I have to say about this.

5) Foreign Policy - Establishment Republicans want more war in the Middle East and possibly Asia while their constituents don't really care about these regions.

Call out the Democrats for their policies but you can't deny the Democrats have delivered on their promises to their constituents even if they are half baked. Gay marriage, health care reform, racial issues, expansion of welfare, and climate change/environmentalism have all made considerable progress under Obama while the Republicans have been on the defensive. Do conservatives want to continue to support a political party that is constantly on the defensive?
Conservatives have been busy for over a decade now, voting out the RINOs and corrupt politicians who deceived their voters. You are blind and uninformed if you have not noticed this.

Hell, they just voted out Rep. Eric Cantor, who was at the time, the number two Republican in the House of Representatives.

You are woefully uninformed, especially since you are starting this thread, in view of who the current front runners are in the Republican presidential primary.

If any voters of any political party are blindly voting for selfish, corrupt, money grubbing, power hunger politicians, without blinking, it's the voters in the democratic party.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:27 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Evangelical pastors, every four years, get up and shout at their congregation that they are going to eternal hell if they vote for the candidate that supports abortion and same-sex marriage. When you're eternal soul is in jeopardy if you don't vote for the GOP, no other issues matter.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Why do conservatives vote for a party that has delivered nothing to them

Because they're told to. By Limbaugh, Fox News, etc

And they're good followers.

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Old 03-10-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Only peasants look to their king to "do something" for them. How about just staying out of my way and out of my pocket. That is all I ask.
Said the Gadsden license-plated dude from Fairfax. It costs money for the US government to keep you safe and give you the high standard of living Fairfax offers. Like most, you are highly dependent on various Federal and State government, and military services whether you want to admit it or not.

Your mentality completely lacks perspective and gratitude.
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Old 03-10-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Conservatives have been busy for over a decade now, voting out the RINOs and corrupt politicians who deceived their voters. You are blind and uninformed if you have not noticed this.

Hell, they just voted out Rep. Eric Cantor, who was at the time, the number two Republican in the House of Representatives.

You are woefully uninformed, especially since you are starting this thread, in view of who the current front runners are in the Republican presidential primary.

If any voters of any political party are blindly voting for selfish, corrupt, money grubbing, power hunger politicians, without blinking, it's the voters in the democratic party.
Do these politicians strike fear in the hearts of Democrats like the 90s Republicans or are they laughed at?
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