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Old 06-27-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: DFW
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A certain amount of Killing is tolerated unless someone does it with an assault rifle.
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Immediate complications after medical compared with surgical termination of pregnancy. - PubMed - NCBI
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Frankly, I think that women in general - this thread notwithstanding - are smart enough to see through the phony "concern" that was the basis of these laws, and see that those backing such laws thought women too stupid to realize what was going on.

If interested, for further reading see the joint amicus brief from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the American Medical Association. Personally - and I'm not saying this to offend anyone here - I would take their medical expertise over that of anyone participating in this online discussion, including my own admittedly non-existent medical expertise.

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What do Obstetricians from the AMA know about births or abortion, Abbotts attorneys know better
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I have NO clue why so many are adamantly advocating continuing to treat women as 2nd class citizens in regards to their health care. Frankly, it's disgusting.
Yet, you find it disgusting that millions more people are now able to get health insurance because of the ACA (Obamacare).

You aren't fooling anyone with your prized little meme.
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: louisville
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This is the very first time I ever heard the term 'surgery center'. You've mentioned it several times.

Fancy term for 'clinic'??
Ambulatory surgery centers are for procedures that don't require the overhead of a traditional hospital for outpatient procedures.

Without the overhead, there's a large cost savings for the member/patient
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Have a link to the full study?

And having a surgical suite or admitting privileges wouldn't matter since the woman is AT HOME when taking the pills. Wider doorways in the clinic will make no difference in the outcome.
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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And when it hasn't? No.

Performing surgery on a woman without requiring the facility to meet surgery center standards is treating women like 2nd class citizens. Why liberals are adamant in going along with that is completely illogical.
Colonoscopies and other medical procedures are just as delicate but Texas is not interested in requiring admitting privileges. Only the gullible would fall for the end run to restrict abortions.

Here Are Some Medical Procedures Texas Regulates Less Than Abortions | Dallas Observer
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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conservatives need to let this go already. interfering with women's rights is one of the major reasons why the GOP is having PR issues.
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Grandfathered buildings aren't ADA compliant.

Only abortion facilities? Wasn't the law based on bringing abortion clinic standards UP to those required of surgery centers?
Really? I think it was in Texas that shut down an abortion clinic because it was two stories. Somewhere in their 'regulations' they deemed a clinic must be one storey only! Every hospital I've seen is MULTIPLE stories! Ten or twenty stories! What's up with THAT regulation? It's just BS. (just like your 'grandfathered' statement)
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Old 06-27-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Relative to HB2 not being a burden:


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Based on the parties’ stipulations, expert depositions, and expert and other trial testimony, the District Court made extensive findings, including, but not limited to: as the admitting-privileges requirementbegan to be enforced, the number of facilities providing abortionsdropped in half, from about 40 to about 20; this decrease in geographical distribution means that the number of women of reproductiveage living more than 50 miles from a clinic has doubled, the number living more than 100 miles away has increased by 150%, the numberliving more than 150 miles away by more than 350%, and the numberliving more than 200 miles away by about 2,800%; the number of facilities would drop to seven or eight if the surgical-center provisiontook effect, and those remaining facilities would see a significant increase in patient traffic; facilities would remain only in five metropolitan areas; before H. B. 2’s passage, abortion was an extremely safeprocedure with very low rates of complications and virtually no deaths;


Interesting comments in dissent.


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Justice Thomas dissenting.


Today the Court strikes down two state statutory provisions in all of their applications, at the behest of abortion clinics and doctors. That decision exemplifies the Court’s troubling tendency "to bend the rules when any effort to limit abortion, or even to speak in opposition to abortion,



http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...5-274_p8k0.pdf
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