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Old 09-02-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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Right........ I mean, if Obama had ANY gonads!....
It was OK for HIM to use serious drugs for in excess of marijuana back in college.
Some are saying he did more than smoke it......after all we all do this......President Obama was apparently quite the pothead in high school and even thanked his weed dealer in his senior yearbook.


In fact, it would clear up a lot of mystery surrounding his life. I could never figure out how a dirt-poor fatherless guy who never had a job in his life was able to put himself through Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School. Even if he was on full-scholarship, a person has to eat. Maybe Obama was dealing his way through college.
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Hmmmm, I'll go with that. Lol, kinda bard to argue with, yet, my trepidation for opening the Constitution remains.
There's no need to Crack the Constitution, the constitutional basis of the Federal drug laws just need to be challenged.
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:40 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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There's no need to Crack the Constitution, the constitutional basis of the Federal drug laws just need to be challenged.
Yes. As I'd said, a convention of the states petitioning for redress of grievance would be the hot ticket, I'm thinking. It would be hard to ignore, if 2/3 of fbe States challenged federal usurping, on 10A grounds. The 10th is pretty clear. Even the SCOTUS would have trouble blocking such a challenge. It would be a thing of beauty. . I can just imagine the looks on the faces of DCs power elite. Glorious!
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yes. As I'd said, a convention of the states petitioning for redress of grievance would be the hot ticket, I'm thinking. It would be hard to ignore, if 2/3 of fbe States challenged federal usurping, on 10A grounds. The 10th is pretty clear. Even the SCOTUS would have trouble blocking such a challenge. It would be a thing of beauty. . I can just imagine the looks on the faces of DCs power elite. Glorious!

Completely agree! Look, there will be 30 states with medical and 6-7 states with recreational within the next 2 years. That's not far from the 2/3rds, so it will happen if the FEDs do not walk back their mindless war.


I guess the cop op didn't get the kumbaya responses he expected (demanded, dictated) ...but then, he doesn't define pro-pot people as "people"
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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Yes. As I'd said, a convention of the states petitioning for redress of grievance would be the hot ticket, I'm thinking. It would be hard to ignore, if 2/3 of fbe States challenged federal usurping, on 10A grounds. The 10th is pretty clear. Even the SCOTUS would have trouble blocking such a challenge. It would be a thing of beauty. . I can just imagine the looks on the faces of DCs power elite. Glorious!
And doing it that way would rein in DC who would need to check twice before enacting Federal Law. I completely agree it would be a thing of beauty with a good sprinkling of schadenfreude.
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Old 09-02-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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And doing it that way would rein in DC who would need to check twice before enacting Federal Law. I completely agree it would be a thing of beauty with a good sprinkling of schadenfreude.
A Constitutional Convention is interesting and could go all sorts of direction but is virtually certain to end up no where. You need to get 3/4 of the states to agree to the amendments proposed. That happens with virtually nothing controversial.

Note also that the smaller 2/3 of the states represent less than 1/3 of the US population. So you can end up in a tail wagging the dog situation.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:36 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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We could remove the power to make it illegal.


No it was made illegal at the federal level by imposing an excise tax without providing a way to collect it. That is a federal level issue. The FDA and DEA power come out of an expansive wartime supreme court case about the government's power to regulate interstate commerce. One drug market on the federal level has more benefits than costs. Keeping the FED out of the criminalization of intoxicating substances should be addressed. Amending the amendment legalizing booze would be a good place to start.


The amendment(yes it took and amendment) to make booze illegal, was the only time the constitution took liberty. The document that was established to maintain liberty to its fullest. It was repealed, because it took so much liberty and made criminals of those exercising their liberties. It went back to a 10th amendment issue.

Now, the assumption an excise tax not being able to be imposed, could the same be said for tobacco farmers? How are they controlled by government?

You see, the FDA and the DEA, even the EPA do things, the Constitution does not give them any authority to do.

Where does the Constitution authorize a DEA-ATF? There is no amendment declaring drugs, alcohol, firearms, tobacco, or explosives illegal?
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Old 09-02-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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A Constitutional Convention is interesting and could go all sorts of direction but is virtually certain to end up no where. You need to get 3/4 of the states to agree to the amendments proposed. That happens with virtually nothing controversial.

Note also that the smaller 2/3 of the states represent less than 1/3 of the US population. So you can end up in a tail wagging the dog situation.
Excuse me? CA will pass 64 and we represent more than 10% alone. If you combine all the states that have passed medical they represent 70% of the population.

This will happen!

https://ballotpedia.org/California_P...lization_(2016)

Look at the ones who support 64... NAACP, black law enforcement (leap), pastors, churches, dozens of mayors, dozens of reps, and Gov. Brown!

It's a lock
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Old 09-02-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Excuse me? CA will pass 64 and we represent more than 10% alone. If you combine all the states that have passed medical they represent 70% of the population.

This will happen!

https://ballotpedia.org/California_P...lization_(2016)

Look at the ones who support 64... NAACP, black law enforcement (leap), pastors, churches, dozens of mayors, dozens of reps, and Gov. Brown!

It's a lock
Nah. The biggest group calling for a Constitutional convention is the Balanced Budget limited Federal Government set of about 30 states. If you called one for Mj legalization it would still end up launching a balanced budget and other stuff that will go no where. And I don't think there is really much of a chance you would even get the Mj amendment to the states. You may well be able to get 2/3 of the popular vote but you won't get half the states.
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Old 09-02-2016, 03:26 PM
 
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The amendment(yes it took and amendment) to make booze illegal, was the only time the constitution took liberty. The document that was established to maintain liberty to its fullest. It was repealed, because it took so much liberty and made criminals of those exercising their liberties. It went back to a 10th amendment issue.

Now, the assumption an excise tax not being able to be imposed, could the same be said for tobacco farmers? How are they controlled by government?

You see, the FDA and the DEA, even the EPA do things, the Constitution does not give them any authority to do.

Where does the Constitution authorize a DEA-ATF? There is no amendment declaring drugs, alcohol, firearms, tobacco, or explosives illegal?
It isn't a 10th amendment issue it is an interstate commerce issue, as ruled by the supreme court, and an excise tax issue.


Al Capone was imprisoned for not paying the taxes on the illegal liquor he imported and sold.


The federal government can make something illegal by taxing it and refusing to collect the tax. As was done with MJ. You can't fight it and win a 10th amendment fight. You can change the constitution and take away the right to tax and refuse to collect a tax. You can take away the ability to legally make it illegal to use MJ at a federal level without braking the law by changing the constitution. And the states can do that without the federal governments consent. They can win this fight legally.


The federal government collects the excise tax on Tabaco making it legal to sell. Not on MJ.


There is a supreme court ruling that was very expansive of what regulating interstate commerce meant. That gave dea fda etc power.
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