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Old 01-13-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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let see what the full package contained- A BILL comes 100 in a bunch like a Bouquet of Flowers-- usually something with great aroma- and beauty- something the people need and want, along with the thorny green fillers- or what corps want ! i'ts really never about the one bill-- you all need classes?
well said! i had to rep you for this
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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No you won't.

Another former lawmaker, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who was the House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman at the time, said there is a simple explanation for why the law doesn’t do more to rein in drugmakers. “The Obama administration decided to make a deal with the PhRMA to get them to support the legislation,”

https://morningconsult.com/2016/03/2...-of-obamacare/

Obama climbed into bed with the drug companies if you prefer.
Obamacare: Insurance companies DO negotiate pharma prices for insured prescriptions. Just like they negotiate prices they pay to doctors and hospitals and radiologists. That's why the ins. co. has an approved list of drugs for each plan. If the drug is too pricey and the ins. co. couldn't negotiate the price down, it's not on the list, usually.

Obamacare included a program that Waxman wrote in the 1990s that goes like this: Hospitals have to buy drugs, so they pay retail prices; then hospitals get reimbursed by ins. cos. for LESS than the hospitals paid. So Waxman's program allows CERTAIN hospitals (1/3 of the nation's hospitals) to negotiate prices with drug cos. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8f3c50f00c4f

It is correct, though, that Obamacare didn't "reform" the drug industry. How that happened does smell rotten. Explained below.

This all dates back to the passing of Medicare Part D during the Bush Administration. Medicare Part D is related to benefits for drugs. Included in Medicare Part D was, and still is, a provision that PROHIBITS Medicare from negotiating drug prices. Odd, isn't it? How did that happen?

House of Rep. rep. Billy Tauzin of Louisiana was a co-sponsor of Medicare Part D. A Republican was the other co-sponsor. Bipartisan bill. As soon as Medicare Part D passed, Tauzin quit the House of Rep. and went to work as a lobbyist for Big Pharma at a salary of $1 Million/yr.

Fast forward to the writing of Obamacare.

When the ACA was being drafted, Big Pharma lobbyists, headed by former Rep. Billy Tauzin of Louisiana went to Washington and cut a deal. They would give big bucks to fund parts of the ACA, and not fight the ACA, in return for leaving Big Pharma alone. (Of course, Big Pharma has made a ton of money from the ACA...sweet deal for Big Pharma.) The one that got away: Obamacare and the drug industry - POLITICO

But, to be clear, that was NOT Obama's doing. Writing the bill and passing it was Congress' job. They thought the ACA wouldn't pass if Big Pharma came out in full force against it (Big Pharma is a powerful force, like the NRA).

In fact, just last year Obama was pushing for a program in Medicare to contain drug prices prescribed by doctors, but the Republicans passed a counter bill that PROHIBITS any bills interfering with the costs of drugs in Medicare. GOP Faces Budget Hurdle in Bids to Limit CMS Center - The Commonwealth Fund; The Politics of Medicare and Drug-Price Negotiation (Updated)

Controlling drug prices was a big concern with Hillary Clinton and was a part of her economic & health care plan. Both Clinton & Trump said that Medicare should be able to negotiate drug prices. Who knows if Trump will pursue this? But even if he does, it's only Congress that can actually do anything about it. And most of them are owned by Big Pharma.
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:14 PM
 
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But why don't democrats want to help Americans by lowering drug prices. Are they anti- American?
The 13 Democrats who voted with the corrupt GOP majority are serving their big pharma financial overlords. Do you see your senator on the list? Call him or her and tell them what you think of their pathetic excuses about safety. They only get away with it when the sick, the elderly, the disabled and their allies stay silent. Bring heat and they will eventually see the light.
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Old 01-13-2017, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Insurance companies and the pharmacies they work with.

Again, the amendment would have only allowed them to get these drugs, not you directly.

The 500 dollar value bottle of prescription pills is probably going to cost the same after insurance as the 300 dollar bottle from Canada
according to this post BY YOU, the amendment states:

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relating to lowering prescription drug prices, including through the importation of safe and affordable prescription drugs from Canada by American pharmacists, wholesalers, and individuals with a valid prescription from a provider licensed to practice in the United States
That sure sounds like an individual could have obtained the drugs directly.
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:11 AM
 
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Obamacare: Insurance companies DO negotiate pharma prices for insured prescriptions. Just like they negotiate prices they pay to doctors and hospitals and radiologists. That's why the ins. co. has an approved list of drugs for each plan. If the drug is too pricey and the ins. co. couldn't negotiate the price down, it's not on the list, usually.
Insurance companies and providers do this and it's one big scam.

$1500 drug. Insurance pays $300 and the industry writes off $1200 on their taxes. We should have single payer with a set price and that is that.
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:16 AM
 
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according to this post BY YOU, the amendment states:



That sure sounds like an individual could have obtained the drugs directly.
Thank you. I started to look this back up last night but decided it was time to log off.
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Old 01-14-2017, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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One thing I am noticing, is many Americans are so sick and tired of our process and politics that they are willing to go OUTSIDE to get things done- That is like your wife is not given ya da luv-- so you go find the secretary--- even God called His people harlots- for seeking other gods to solve the issues-
We need to fix our own and demand fixing-- going OUT is not going to keep America strong- Go ahead- keep looking to be pro- Wiki leaks- Canada- Israel- Russia-- etc and anti America to solve OUR problems-- this is basic stuff people -
Are you just like the corporations now?? --
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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Insurance companies and providers do this and it's one big scam.

$1500 drug. Insurance pays $300 and the industry writes off $1200 on their taxes. We should have single payer with a set price and that is that.
Single payer is socialist medicine. We see how that works in Europe and Canada where the strategy of medical care is to take care of the inexpensive stuff and let those who need real care die off while parked on endless "waiting lists", or even just denied outright.


What we really need is a market based medical economy with no government involvement at all. Since medical care and drugs are products and services, and not rights, it is best to let the market take care of health care.


As we dump Obamacare and get back to utilizing free market principles again, we will see an improvement in the health care system.
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Single payer is socialist medicine.
Single payer is Medicare. You are aware of that right? You want to eliminate Medicare so millions of elderly will not get medical treatment if they dont have a huge nest egg? This is barbaric.
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Our politicians are nothing more than the puppets of corporations especially big pharma.

I sincerely hope Trump will change this. However, the voters can always vote them out.
And Trump is clearing the swamp with those same big business leads. So how exactly does he I tend to fix things?
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