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It is a well known fact that, whatever one man builds, another man can defeat. If anyone thinks a wall 500 feet high would keep anyone out, they are wrong.
Years ago, I knew a Mexican guy who had been deported 3 times. A week later, each time, he was right back here, and back to work. Last I knew of him, he had his own company, owned a home, and was paying taxes and employing others. He wasn't coming here to " murder, rape, or sell drugs," he was coming here for a better life for him and his family.
Anyone who thinks this wall is an absolute solution needs to drive out to that area and look at what it looks like. NO wall could stop people from getting over, if they really wanted to come in. It is just something Donald Trump dreamed up in his head to make his cult think he had some great solution to a non existent problem.
A nice roll of barbed wire at the top will take care of that..
Already tried that years ago. It failed miserably with just a simple grappling hook and piece of rope with four Mexicans heaving on it to pull it off the top.
Oh bull****. Employers are responsible for much of the illegal immigration in this country. What say we spend a fraction of the billions a wall will cost simply enforcing our employment laws at the employment level. Do this and solve 70% of the problem. The only people making out from a wall are the companies building and maintaining it. Stupid stupid idea backed by either stupid or very cynical people.
Yep.
If the US were serious about illegal immigration it would have made e- Verify a Federal Law and imposed harsh penalties on those who chose to not comply.
Perry was the 15 year governor of Texas during the greatest wave of illegal immigration. Why didn't Texas make e- Verify a state law? Who built/ builds all those homes/ commercial developments/ municipal developments in Texas?
It is a well known fact that, whatever one man builds, another man can defeat. If anyone thinks a wall 500 feet high would keep anyone out, they are wrong.
Years ago, I knew a Mexican guy who had been deported 3 times. A week later, each time, he was right back here, and back to work. Last I knew of him, he had his own company, owned a home, and was paying taxes and employing others. He wasn't coming here to " murder, rape, or sell drugs," he was coming here for a better life for him and his family.
Anyone who thinks this wall is an absolute solution needs to drive out to that area and look at what it looks like. NO wall could stop people from getting over, if they really wanted to come in. It is just something Donald Trump dreamed up in his head to make his cult think he had some great solution to a non existent problem.
You couldn't be more wrong. If walls aren't a deterrant then why do people have them around their homes and businesses? No one is saying that walls are 100% effective but they deter enough unwanted entry to make them feasible. No one is saying it's the only solution but it sure should be a part of it. I have posted two links proving that a good wall does work in places on the border where they have been built.
Doesn't matter what motive an illegal alien has for coming here they have no right to come here. Paying taxes, etc. does not excuse anyone for breaking the law not even our own citizens. The illegal you spoke of was probably employing other illegals. It's a fact that some do murder, rape, etc. We have enough of our own home grown criminals without having to deal with foreigners here illegally committing crimes also. Many of them are guilty of ID theft or tax evasion. Those are felonies!
No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. Americans don't have better lives by illegals taking their jobs by working for less and being taxed thru the roof having to cover their enormous social costs not to mention our overcrowded schools, jails, hospitals, roads and neighborhoods because of them.
I gather from your posts that you have a vested interest in illegal immigration. The anti-wall people usually do.
This is just my opinion. Many people do not want to discuss this rationally. Many don't want to use reasoning, critical thinking, and looking at good solutions. Many people want to kick posterior. Yes, the illegal immigration issue could be solved by simply deporting illegals, denying resources to illegals, and punishing businesses that hire illegals. You know, enforcement of immigration laws. However, those solutions are "too easy". They require critical thinking. They don't require "kicking someone's posterior".
We can stop illegals without building that grandiose wall. It isn't hard. However, some people just want to "kick someone's posterior" or "stick it to Mexico".
Razor wire, electric shocks, guard stations manned with snipers... it all sounds so wonderfully Mad Max.
How about just penalizing employers who don't follow the law?
It's how other nations do it and seems to work for them.
There's no glory in that..Politicians need the glory as feed for their followers. And-- building walls makes it seem as though this administration really cares about a long standing problem of illegal border crossing. Yes it does make sense to have severe penalties in place for those who choose to cross, and for those who choose to hire them. But, the insistence upon paying low wages creates a labor vacuum that can only be filled with the desperate poverty stricken people from areas south of our borders.
In the meantime we need to take a good hard look at the real problem of wage disparity that is driving the illegals over our borders. The same people who advocate for the theory of market driven economics as a wage setting construct don't understand how the lowest wages attract those who come here illegally, and legally...
Maybe we should be asking ourselves, and our government, about the looming possibility of a huge and crippling labor shortage. With everybody in America going to college, then seeking employment in the high tech sector, and then moving to the burbs where they have no time to raise their kids, mow their lawn, do laundry, and a sundry of other stuff we've become accustomed to not doing, who will do the dirty/hard work?
Illegal workers still create value, and that is why they remain as a huge economic plus for much of America. And just because we don't like it doesn't mean that value doesn't exist. A wall is the fool's notion of remedial action, we need to eliminate the magnet of low wages creating a huge demand for foreign workers. When that happens we may just see America's youth lining up for real money jobs..
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