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Who said I was a liberal? And even if I was, those people do not represent me. I represent me and I alone can speak for what I believe. And the most important thing that I believe in is politics, as in I believe in discourse. What troubles me more than anything is that so little of it seems to be happening. So if that's what the people protesting want, then I guess I do agree with them (though I don't believe in protest as useful protests are rare).
Ok then. I have no problem with speaking out but I have an issue with attacking people who are speaking out and saying things you don't agree with. They have as much right to speak out as you do but it appears that liberals don't think they do.
Speaking out doesn't have to be violent, it doesn't have to be where property is destroyed. Martin Luther King got his point out and he didn't have to be violent or destroy property. That's one of the reasons he was great. These leftist look like losers who resort to violence, destruction and hate because they want their way. They have no respect for anyone, why should we respect them?
Ok then. We both believe in discourse but discourse that makes sense. It doesn't have to be violent, it doesn't have to be where property is destroyed. Martin Luther King got his point out and he didn't have to be violent or destroy property. That's one of the reasons he was great. These leftist look like losers who resort to violence, destruction and hate because they want their way. They have no respect for anyone, why should we respect them?
Well many of them are just angry. I don't know what the best way to handle it is, but I'd like to believe at least some of them, if spoken to rationally, could if nothing else calm down. There's no one thing that should or can be done either. The media sucks. Politics is in poor health. Many seem indifferent to republicanism (as in 'republics;' nothing to do with GOP). People need to have respect for each other and indeed, it's a two way street. But ultimately, when one side isn't offering it, I think it's best to extend a hand in peace. If they don't take it, walk away secure in the knowledge that you tried your best. That's one way to go about it anyway. I don't know if it's the best, but it's better than some.
Well many of them are just angry. I don't know what the best way to handle it is, but I'd like to believe at least some of them, if spoken to rationally, could if nothing else calm down. There's no one thing that should or can be done either. The media sucks. Politics is in poor health. Many seem indifferent to republicanism (as in 'republics;' nothing to do with GOP). People need to have respect for each other and indeed, it's a two way street. But ultimately, when one side isn't offering it, I think it's best to extend a hand in peace. If they don't take it, walk away secure in the knowledge that you tried your best. That's one way to go about it anyway. I don't know if it's the best, but it's better than some.
If rationally means saying what they want to hear, that's not going to happen. People disagree all the time but its how you handle the disagreement that matters.
When Obama was president, people who disagreed with him were met with attacks, name calling, racist, bigot, sexist, uncle Tom etc and the attacks are still going on. You can't talk to people like that. What do you think this accomplishes? The people went silent. Because people were silenced the left didn't see the Trump win coming? Trying to talk to a liberal who had no interest in hearing opposing views was useless so people spoke with their vote instead.
Did you ever get into an argument with your spouse where tempers are so high that no one is heard? Did your spouse ever yell, even go off the edge at you and you just tuned them out? Just like your spouse was tuned out and looked like an idiot how do you think liberals are being viewed? They are viewed as idiots and are being tuned out.
A Los Angeles woman called for mass deaths to defeat Trump. "People have to die to make a change in this world," she says, meaning of course that white people must be murdered en masse for her own race to conquer California and take over America.
She said no such thing.
No wonder people are upset - so much hyperbole, exaggeration, obstructionism, and outright lying going on.
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We have a media that is agitating. I've listened to them and it's practically making a call to do this and leftist are answer their call. When people are calling for mass deaths to defeat Trump during the election you should have recognized there was a serious problem.
See above.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said...
It has nothing to do with what you said. S/he's just being obtuse.
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Who's calling for genocide? I'm technically a 'leftist' and I support no genocide.
Same here - and I doubt anyone could rightly call me a leftist even though I'm socially quite liberal.
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Haven't seen an msm article about the violence yet
What would you consider the Toronto Sun and KOMO-TV?
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When Obama was president, people who disagreed with him opted to go silent
If rationally means saying what they want to hear, that's not going to happen. People disagree all the time but its how you handle the disagreement that matters.
When Obama was president, people who disagreed with him were met with attacks, name calling, racist, bigot, sexist, uncle Tom etc and the attacks are still going on. You can't talk to people like that. What do you think this accomplishes? The people went silent. Because people were silenced the left didn't see the Trump win coming? Trying to talk to a liberal who had no interest in hearing opposing views was useless so people spoke with their vote instead.
Did you ever get into an argument with your spouse where tempers are so high that no one is heard? Did your spouse ever yell, even go off the edge at you and you just tuned them out? Just like your spouse was tuned out and looked like an idiot how do you think liberals are being viewed? They are viewed as idiots and are being tuned out.
Yeah, but it's not all liberals and not only liberals. This is also important. The trouble with reasonable people is that they have their political conversation over a few drinks with co-workers/friends and family, or in the backyard or wherever. They aren't taking to the streets.
I don't like seeing liberals all being called violent because of the people flipping cars. In the same way, I don't like seeing all Donald Trump supporters called racist. I despise Donald Trump and some of his voters as well, but many, realistically most, did not vote for him with ill intentions or malice.
And it's worth noting, many liberals were harassed for liking Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or even just not like Donald Trump.
Civility is at a low point it seems. I'd like to see that change across the board. And yes, this means the liberals flipping cars need to calm down.
How is Madonna still freely walking the streets, after inciting others to "Blow up the White house"? Madonna should have been imprisoned for DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
How is Madonna still freely walking the streets, after inciting others to "Blow up the White house"? Madonna should have been imprisoned for DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
agreed
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