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So when someone asks what my ethnicity is I should tell them... what? What shall we call ourselves? Anglos? Brittanicans?
...or better yet, lets arbitrarily redefine all "Britanic" people of English Speaking origin as minorities or "people of color" even if they're as white as Billy bob Thorton, and give them special affirmative action benefits.
That's how ridiculous the "hispanic" notion was when it was first introduced.
Tritone, did you just say dark skinned Mexicans were (once upon a time) considered white in the United States? Did you just lose you damned mind?
Have you been smoking that Texan peyote again?
Man, I was born in 1971 in the USA and reared all my life in the US. And that was during a more liberal time in the US post 1950s and post 1890s. I'm not only familiar with racial conceptions in the USA I know very well how the vast majority of white Americas view some old, short, dark skinned Mexican grandma slowly walk down the street from the store. The last thing on their minds is that is a white woman.
Look in Latin America white Latinos exist. Technically, on the US census they exist as white-Hispanics. But culturally in the US white and Latino are oxymorons. Culturally in the US no white Latinos exist. They are viewed as impure whites, non-whites that can "pass" just as Thomas Jeffersons offspring from mixed race Sally Hemings were.
So engrained is this racial construct in the minds of Americans that you can't get it out of their heads even if you cracked their heads with backhoes.
In the culture of the USA there are no white Latinos and their are no white Jews.
The fact you want to disect the Hispanic but not the Jew is as politically motivated as the birth of the Hispanic umbrella designation in the USA.
In the culture of the USA there are no white Latinos and their are no white Jews.
100% wrong. I would venture the vast vast vast majority of Americans view Jews as white. Only white nationalist types tend to take issue. Maybe some Jewish separatist types as well, who operate under the delusion of a "Jewish race" traceable back to Israel.
With respect to Latinos, it has become politically expedient for "Latinos" to view themselves as "the other."
But, this is getting harder and harder. Latinos are inter-marrying like crazy and it's going to get more and more absurd for 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 "Latinos" to be looked at as a "non-white" bloc. Or "non-black" persons, in the case of African Latinos.
Much of your analysis is antiquated and based on the way things "were" vs. the way things "are" --- nobody under ... 40? 50? talks about "impure whites" and "passing," or "colorism" except for - ironically - social justice types trying to pretend that's still a "thing" amongst white people. (Which is false. Those things exist pretty much exclusively WITHIN non-European minority communities).
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Originally Posted by Frogburn
The fact you want to disect the Hispanic but not the Jew is as politically motivated as the birth of the Hispanic umbrella designation in the USA.
Jewish is an "ethno-religion." --- the Jews aren't a "race," either. Even within Jewish cultures there's the Ashkenazi, the Sephardic, the black Jewish, etc. etc.
Tritone, did you just say dark skinned Mexicans were (once upon a time) considered white in the United States? Did you just lose you damned mind?
That is the truth! You can look at their birth certificates. All Mexicans born before 1980 were white - every single one of them.
This is one of the curiosities of the American racial apartide. There were two races recognized in the segregated south "white" and "black". There were no other minority groups.
All persons not of African descent were white. This meant that a lot of darkskinned non european looking people were regarded as "white", and tolerated in segregated white-only environments.
In Texas, even Chinese people were white and went to white schools.
My elderly relatives - great Aunts and uncles- still regard all Mexicans plainly as "white". Thats what Mexicans were when they were growing up in the 30s and 40s. And again, it wasnt crazy because most Mexicans were European looking back then, but even "brown" Mexicans were white just the same.
So what you're saying is that the residents of the Anglosphere ---- Americans, Australians, Canadians, British, Irish, New Zealanders, South Africans are an "ethnicity" or "race," especially considering our many shared cultural customs, foods, traditions, laws, language and entertainment/media?
Great!
So when someone asks what my ethnicity is I should tell them... what? What shall we call ourselves? Anglos? Brittanicans?
I have no idea, I define myself as tropical--born in MB - because the lineage is like Heinz 57 -as we used to say when kids-- I am just posting what they wrote- The race things has become a very gray area, that use to have very solid lines with new -DNA knowledge-
In general, Mexicans always went to schools with whites. Almost every public segregated white highschool in Texas had Mexican or other Latin American students. The University of Texas, formally a white only University, has always admitted Mexicans.
Some scattered districts had remedial elementary schools for Mexicans that were based on language. The arguments behind them was that Mexican children had special needs because they were Spanish-speakers - not unlike todays ESL classes for Mexicans.
That was superficially similar to the strict legalized racial segregation of blacks, but not the same at all. Even children that did go to mexican elementary school went on to mainstream white middle and highschools without problems.
Anyway, the Mexican American community fought these remedial Mexican schools by arguing that they were white. They were saying its wrong to force Mexican children into seperate elementary schools because Mexicans were white and that was illegal - and that is why they won these cases such as Mendez v Westminster.
I dont know about what you claimed happend with Mexican Americans in the South, and how their predominately native american assez were somehow considered white in that part of the country during the mid 1900s.
But I do know in many northern cities like New York City, Philadelphia, and Chicago, Hispanics since their arrival in these cities decades before the Hispanic term was even invented, were racially segregated legally thru redlining and white flight similar to Black Americans. Again let me reiterate that, Puerto Ricans, and to a lesser extant Mexicans, (both of which is dominated by mulattos and mestizos, NOT white people since they have heavy African or native admixture ) were heavily segregated in ghettos in a similar way blacks were, which til these day segregated facing high poverty and crime, as well as gentrification and displacement in some areas, same as black ghettos.
They also experienced racism, tho not as bad as blacks and native americans, still worse than other groups, which prevails til this day. And during the Civil Rights era of the 60s, Hispanics had 2 versions of the black panther party, tho both smaller and less popular than BP, Ricans on the eastcoast had the Young Lords and mexicans in california had the brown berets.
In fact, heavily mixed race Spanish speaking Catholics being highly discriminated against was possibly one of the reasons the Hispanic/Latino group was created, lobbyists pressured govt census takers to create the Hispanics, to strengthen and unite Spanish speakers (especially the mixed race majority) against poverty and white racism.
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Most CubanAmericans are racially and socioeconomically white. They tend to be the most well-off of US Hispanics.
Puerto Ricans and Dominican Americans tend to be racially mulatto and socioeconomically more similar to blacks. Most of the neighborhoods dominated by them are usually poor and "ghetto".
Mexican Americans and most other non Caribbean Hispanics tend to be racially mestizo. And most the neighborhoods dominated by them are usually poor but relatively safe.
I will agree that, outside predominately Puerto Rican areas, the rest of Hispanics havesimilar incarceration rates as whites and most non Puerto Rican Hispanic neighborhoods are not that dangerous, tho they may be poor.
Puerto Ricans have a high incarceration rate, higher than most ethnic groups in the US, possibly only second to native born blacks. It is estimated, in many Northeast states, for every white male incarcerated theres 6 Puerto Rican males. Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and New York are some of the states where the Hispanic to white ratio is pretty high.
For example, In the most of the Northeast, Puerto Ricans represent about 40% of Hispanics and about 5% of the total region, but about 70% of Hispanic prisoners and 30% of all prisoners. While in the Southwest, Mexicans usually represent about 30% of the region as a whole and 30% of all prisoners. So the Mexican percentage is about the same for total population and prison population, while Ricans make up a far higher percentage of the prisons in the northeast than they do of the overall northeast population. Predominately Puerto Rican neighborhoods like the South Bronx and North Philadelphia are far more dangerous than any predominately Mexican neighborhood in the country. The most dangerous city in the country, Camden NJ, is predominately Puerto Rican.
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Most CubanAmericans are racially and socioeconomically white. They tend to be the most well-off of US Hispanics.
Puerto Ricans and Dominican Americans tend to be racially mulatto and socioeconomically more similar to blacks. Most of the neighborhoods dominated by them are usually poor and "ghetto".
Mexican Americans and most other non Caribbean Hispanics tend to be racially mestizo. And most the neighborhoods dominated by them are usually poor but relatively safe.
I will agree that, outside predominately Puerto Rican areas, the rest of Hispanics havesimilar incarceration rates as whites and most non Puerto Rican Hispanic neighborhoods are not that dangerous, tho they may be poor.
Puerto Ricans have a high incarceration rate, higher than most ethnic groups in the US, possibly only second to native born blacks. It is estimated, in many Northeast states, for every white male incarcerated theres 6 Puerto Rican males. Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and New York are some of the states where the Hispanic to white ratio is pretty high.
For example, In the most of the Northeast, Puerto Ricans represent about 40% of Hispanics and about 5% of the total region, but about 70% of Hispanic prisoners and 30% of all prisoners. While in the Southwest, Mexicans usually represent about 30% of the region as a whole and 30% of all prisoners. So the Mexican percentage is about the same for total population and prison population, while Ricans make up a far higher percentage of the prisons in the northeast than they do of the overall northeast population. Predominately Puerto Rican neighborhoods like the South Bronx and North Philadelphia are far more dangerous than any predominately Mexican neighborhood in the country.
Not been to Orlando, most rapid Rican population increase since PR lost it financially. And Cubans, just like to work, the older Cubans who came were well educated. The bar is very high for the Cuban kids, they have pride in their peoples, but the latter Cubans who have been oppressed, they are not doing that well.
Come on people, this is a thread discussing race relations as it applies to AMERICA, and especially among Hispanics and other racial groups as Hispanics become the majority minority.
Please keep it on topic.
People need to realize the significance of the fact that in 1976, a statistical directive artificially made white people into minorities under the guise of the term "hispanic". It created a new fangled ethnic group out of thin air.
They invented a demographic through statistical manipulation, uniting dozens of unrelated nationality groups that wouldn't normally identify with each other.
The "hispanic" group is pure identity politics and nothing else. There's no substance behind it. They exist on paper only. They're using fake statistics to make wild claims and achieve political goals. That's all it is.
"Hispanics" are becoming the majority minority only if you believe that a white person with a Spanish surname is actually a "person of color". In reality, thats fake identity politics.
Historically, when intermarriage was illegal, Mexicans and other Spanish-speaking nationality groups always married white. That wasnt considered to be a mixed marriage at all. There was no Loving vs. Virginia for "Spanish" people - they could always marry other white people.
When they introduced the ridiculous "hispanic" concept, suddenly a Cuban marrying a white American became an "interracial marriage."
People are even rewriting history and claiming that Lucy and Desi were the first "interracial" couple even though they were not back then. Nobody knew that back then.
Everything about the "hispanic" group is fake.
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I define myself as tropical--born in MB - because the lineage is like Heinz 57 -as we used to say when kids-- I am just posting what they wrote- The race things has become a very gray area, that use to have very solid lines with new -DNA knowledge- 
) were heavily segregated in ghettos in a similar way blacks were, which til these day segregated facing high poverty and crime, as well as gentrification and displacement in some areas, same as black ghettos. 
