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Old 05-08-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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This is not about Trump Care. Its more of the damages and lost of life with Obama Care. I think some think it should be free and there is no such thing as free.




Dems never really wanted to actual fix Obama Care in fear of looking bad, nor did they ever want their GOP Friends to suggest the first improvement. Now Obama care is DOA!


The process is more 50% thru and its not going to be one size fits all.


In the end the final form will have the good points of Obama Care, while new plan will have more options.


But remember nothing is free!
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:36 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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This is not about Trump Care. Its more of the damages and lost of life with Obama Care. I think some think it should be free and there is no such thing as free.




Dems never really wanted to actual fix Obama Care in fear of looking bad, nor did they ever want their GOP Friends to suggest the first improvement. Now Obama care is DOA!


The process is more 50% thru and its not going to be one size fits all.


In the end the final form will have the good points of Obama Care, while new plan will have more options.


But remember nothing is free!
If you really believe that, I know of an inexpensive bridge in Brooklyn! Older Trump voters like Ben Dover and his wife Eileen Dover are going to feel some real pain when they get their AHCA bill!
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:44 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Cause free clinics are going to offer chemotherapy. Got it.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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If you can't afford a 40-60 dollar office visit, how are you going to afford insurance? You just want it free without doing anything for it? Besides if you are THAT poor you would qualify for welfare which comes with Medicaid.
#1- Where do you live that an office visit is $40-$60? I have a sickly child that goes to a pediatrician and a specialist every month. Office visits are $150-$250.

#2- I work full time which is twice what welfare provides. Neither are great incomes.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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I have been ill for some time because of obesity related conditions and have been mostly confined to my motorized wheelchair. The one I have now is almost 6 years old and isn't really up to date. A decent society would assure I and others have access to care.
Eating yourself to poor health is vastly different then someone like myself who was born with a serious health condition.

I bet if you throw away the chair, count calories and start walking, you will be a normal weight within 2 years. Start today.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Exactly.

Let's not forget though, ACA is also a law, that comes with a mandated clause.

Do people still think this is about people's health?
Do you understand how insurance works? We need to have lots of young healthy people buying insurance in order to spread the risk. Insurance basically involves a group of people agreeing to share risks. When you buy insurance, you are buying protection. You are protected against unexpected expenses which you would have to pay out of pocket if you did not have insurance. Young healthy people generally don't need to use their insurance unless they have an accident or get a catastrophic illness, so they are subsidizing those who are already ill, but there insurance buys them the freedom from worrying that they will be financially destroyed if something happens.

The problem with high risk pools is that for most of the people who would need to be covered, the premiums would need to be higher than they can afford. That's why it makes sense to spread the risk among all of our citizens instead of singling out those who are higher risk. Everyone will probably use health care at some point in their lives. It makes sense to have coverage early on to take care of your care later on as well as to help to take care of others.

We have, btw, a mandate to buy car insurance. Good drivers can still have accidents because they are on the road with poorer drivers. The penalties can be more severe if you don’t buy auto insurance than if you don’t buy health insurance.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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Forcing people to go to the ER for care is a very expensive band-aid for a broken system.

It's much cheaper to allow these people to have basic and preventative healthcare so that they don't have to go to the ER in the first place. Also, if they get routine healthcare, many diseases that are preventable and/or treatable at an early stage can be caught. Rendering many future visits unnecessary since those people will have gotten the treatment they need at an early stage (instead of waiting until they show serious symptoms, which is often "too late" for many diseases, and requires very expensive last-ditch type treatment options).

It's kind of amazing that people that are at high levels of our federal government don't understand these VERY basic principles of healthcare.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Eating yourself to poor health is vastly different then someone like myself who was born with a serious health condition.

I bet if you throw away the chair, count calories and start walking, you will be a normal weight within 2 years. Start today.
You cant advocate society to help YOU but NOT help HIM.

Society should help everyone that needs it. Period. Either you are for it or against it.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I have been ill for some time because of obesity related conditions and have been mostly confined to my motorized wheelchair. The one I have now is almost 6 years old and isn't really up to date. A decent society would assure I and others have access to care.
So it's society's problem that you didn't take care of yourself.
OK.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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So it's society's problem that you didn't take care of yourself.
OK.
We're taking care of those people whether you like it or not. And often in expensive ways.

If we thought about this from a logical and sensible perspective (and not from a political ideological perspective), we could figure out ways to care for those people in much cheaper ways.

Sending these people to the ER when they're sick is NOT the best solution. But that is what happens when they have no healthcare options.
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