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For our discussion, had we been in a court of law, this statement would damn you. No further discussion on this one is warranted because you made my point for me and have testified in my behalf.
Free... to me. I think that should be the name for the current generations in the US: The Free-To-Me Generation
(and to hell with those who pay for me)
And for the thousands and thousands and thousands of English citizens who get the same treatment its not free to them. Rather its taken out of their paychecks and most are very happy about that because it means they don't have to worry about financials when they are in the middle of a medical emergency.
Yes, you do. But according to some folks on this thread, you should not be expected to pay. The migrant workers picking your food, toiling in the hot sun, and sweating their lives away should do that for free so that you could eat for free--free of charge and free of labor.
No one said that.
The only one saying that is you. You are either unwilling or unable to provide an intellectually honest counterpoint to the idea of access to healthcare for all. That says a lot.
Unless of course the people themselves vote it in without "getting wood" OR being coerced.
Yet, this is a republic. A republic protects the populace from the government, or at least that is the idea. It protects the minority from the majority mob rule. For a nation such as ours, which professes to care so much for minorities, we certainly do not show it very well when it comes to voting ourselves nirvana.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Think of a 350 million co-op and the bargaining power that would have regarding the containment of illogical and outrageously escalating costs.....oh wait....that's called universal/single payer healthcare delivery.
Nope, sorry.
Health care co-op = voluntary enrollment.
Single Payer = coercive enrollment.
Take the coercion out and I'll be right on board with you in supporting it. But until then I will maintain that it is unconstitutional.
I suggest you read Madison's Federalist Paper #41 to put a lie to that statement.
Federalist Paper #41:
PUBLIUS
I would suggest more appropriately to understand what were The Federalist Papers. They were Essay's. to promote the people to think hard and deep in aim to get support for the Ratification of the Constitution.
The Constitution is what it is, and say's what it says. One can write many "Essay's" from as many angles as they choose, but the language of the Constitution is the Language that Established this Nations Under the Constitution.
What one can't say, is that the point I addressed is false. Yes, they were of much concern about the Military, but there is no Military without "PEOPLE" and for those people to be capable, able and ready to support and live within these United States, it is necessary for The Constitution to Protect its most valuable asset, which is its People. EVERYTHING goes to the care and consideration of the people, because the people are what makes up the United States along with the Land Mass they Occupy.
In as much as the Military, establishes itself to provide equally for "all that concerns the people whom are active solders", so does that same United States Government, have the same responsibility to care for its people. Without them, there is no staffing a Military, and with an unhealthy society, one can't expect to extract a healthy military force.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Matthew 7:18
If one understands that, then they understand the need for a healthy society.
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And you believe the free market will magically find a way for all Americans to get health insurance?
By definition, "insurance" is a contrived legalized gambling scheme dreampt up by free market capitalists. Yet NOBODY wants to come up with a different way to handle it. Even those who are so against capitalism. Astonishing.
I think ya'll need to stop hanging on the word free. We ALL KNOW that NOTHING is FREE. You know damned well what we are talking about so stop hanging on that word and get on with a productive conversation on the topic at hand.
JFC
Yes, I know what you are doing. You are attempting to force everyone to do things the way you want them done. You are trying to take away choices. And I am opposed to that. Attack me as you see fit, but I do not agree with coercion. Period.
Can we have a human right to free electricity too? I have seen some really nice Mercedes on the road lately, what about a human right to transportation....at least make the buses and rail workers work for free.. we deserve free protection as well. Can't we force police officers and firemen to work for free and punish them if the refuse... why are we paying for people in the military, they should be working for free... and then give me the money saved from not paying them...
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