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Old 06-01-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Different this year. trump's first harvest. He's po'd Mexicans; they are NOT going to cross illegally this year, too much of a risk.
GOOD! They shouldn't as it's ILLEGAL.
We don't need ILLEGAL workers, the farms don't need ILLEGAL workers except to exploit them. They need LEGAL workers.
So, close up the freekin' borders and start issuing work permits for the seasons where workers are needed. Force employers to use E-Verify under threat of fines/jail.

There doesn't need to be a "path to citizenship" attached to these work permits as the workers will do the job whether or not it's attached as proven by the fact they're doing it now with no chance of anything but a paycheck to send home.
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:28 AM
 
Location: PGI
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They should stop whining, attract new hires with higher pay, pass on the cost to the consumer and listen to the consumer whine.
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Old 06-01-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Ah VICE, they're so good at cherry picking. We instituted e-verify in our state and didn't see these problems at all. And yes, we have a decent agricultural sector. So, not sure what's going on in Alabama, but it's not e-verify which caused their issues.
It's not a problem in South Carolina because it's not being enforced:

Workers who are in the country illegally continue to find jobs in Beaufort County — and likely across South Carolina — despite a nearly decade-long state effort to stop it. Few businesses are audited each year to ensure they’re checking the immigration status of new employees. About 1 percent of Beaufort County’s employers are audited each year by the S.C. Department of Labor, Licensing and Regulation, according to state data. It’s a similar scene statewide. About 2 percent of South Carolina’s employers are audited. Since 2012, about 11 percent of employers have been checked. The few number of audits paired with various other problems at the state and federal level have some saying South Carolina is wasting its time and money. E-Verify system fails to stop illegal workers in SC | The State
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Old 06-01-2017, 11:47 AM
 
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Convict labor is the answer. CA prisons are dangerously overcrowded and the inmates spend their time, well I'd better not say. Now if the politicians would only allow a sentence of hard labor, things would be better for prisoners.
lol where'd you get that? California prisons have 40,000 fewer inmates than they did in 2010. Healthy non violent inmates are trained as firefighters and spend their time in prison in fire camps in rural areas. Other inmates work in private industry consortium's run out of the prison, or have jobs in the prison such as cleaning, laundry, facility maintenance, medical and dental aides, optical shop, auto repair, dairy operation, etc.

I don't think people would think much of your plan of having taxpayers subsidize farm labor for private farms. Southern states impose sentences of 'hard labor' and things have definitely not gotten better for prisoners in those states
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Old 06-01-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Midwest Rust Belt snowflakes whine about having to pay more for their fruit and vegetables
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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American youth? Middle aged men who dropped out of the workforce should be called out. The youth still have the opportunities to go to school and get jobs that don't require you standing in a hot field all day.
Exactly, every middle aged white male sitting around somewhere in the Rust Belt or flyover country whining about the loss of their manufacturing jobs and the undocumented immigrants keeping them down should be on their way to California right now but we all know they want handouts not jobs.
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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Except this scenario applies when there is a glut of labor. All bets are off when you run them out of the country and the food rots in the field. The farmers are NOW in that scenario. We shall see.

There are unlimited visas for legal, foreign crop pickers so why would the food rot in the fields? Illegal alien labor isn't so cheap when you factor in the $113 billion a year that they cost us of which these greedy growers and other employers pass on to we the taxpayer.
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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Good god spot on with this one. And our american kids etc don't want to die in the fields picking our foods as the migrant workers are doing. People just don't think about this whole picture and how much we would lose if we lost these people....Who would clean your toilets?


What a crock! There are unlimited visas for legal, foreign crop pickers. It is not a career job for Americans and is only seasonal work. Who do you think were cleaning toilets for a fair wage before millions of cheap illegal flooded our border? Illegal aliens cost us $113 billion a year so they only benefit their greedy employers. I'm surprised how uninformed so many people are about the truth.


Most illegals aren't picking crops anyway most have taken jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage. Only 2% of illegals are picking crops.
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Exactly, every middle aged white male sitting around somewhere in the Rust Belt or flyover country whining about the loss of their manufacturing jobs and the undocumented immigrants keeping them down should be on their way to California right now but we all know they want handouts not jobs.

They aren't undocumented immigrants they are illegal aliens! Who do you think were doing most of the jobs that illegals are doing for a fair wage and would do again before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border? Just as long as the employers are being ignored for hiring illegal aliens Americans don't have a chance at those jobs even if they tried and I'm not speaking of crop picking as there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers.


It's a myth that the cost of produce would go up much in price without illegals since only 2% of illegals are picking crops and the greedy growers are only pocketing the profits and passing their social costs on to we the taxpayer along with the other employers who hire them. Illegals aliens aren't saving us any money they are costing us money.


Why would you just mention middle aged white males anyway? Agenda, much?
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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Trump Threats, Minimum Wage, Overtime Hitting California Farmers Hard « CBS Sacramento

Meanwhile American youth who could be doing the job are doing nothing and eating themselves to an early grave from type II diabetes.
I can't imagine that you would get many native-born young Americans to do farm labor, and if you wanted to attract them you would have to offer much higher wages that illegals or migrant laborers get.

And then retail food prices would sky-rocket, and people would begin buying cheaper imported food....and kerplop! there goes the whole point of the thing.
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