'We will not hesitate to defend ourselves': US military refuses to be threatened by Russians (solution, speech)

[burdell]

Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981

i agree with this!

Also want to add,

"US Pilots Will Defend Themselves If Attacked By Russians"

Of course they would. What else do you expect them to do? Die?

What I'd like to see them do is not be put in a position to have to defend themselves in yet another war of choice where we don't belong.

I don't want them being the pawns in a Donny/Vlad game of 'mine's bigger than yours' chess.

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

US Military says it won't be cowed by Russian threats to shoot at American planes. They will defend themselves if fired upon. (or maybe even targeted)

It's good to see the US Military stand up for itself again now that Trump is in command.

It's a marked change from Obama's "nice war" and apology tours, and letting Iranians capture our soldiers and humiliate them.

'We will not hesitate to defend ourselves': US military refuses to be cowed after Russia threatens to target every coalition plane or drone it finds west of the River Euphrates in Syria

Swell. So we'll get sucked into a war we never wanted and has no benefit for us, win or lose.
Just what the Russians want, Waldo. Once sucked into the middle of Syria, the Russians can move on with ease.

Leaving us backing a dictator who has lost all the confidence of his people. Just the spot they want us to be stuck in.

Snap out of it.

[BruSan]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

This is what was actually said.

US responds to Russian threat after shoot-down of Syrian jet | Fox News

Yep; ill conceived silliness for the chattering classes. Neither Russia's government or any other, needs to be told this nonsense and nor will THEY be impressed by it in any way whatsoever. All comic opera for the dummies in the room who should be (but obviously are not) intelligent enough to assume if attacked; ANYONE would defend themselves.......

Further: comments about how the military now has a different leader aren't relevant to this discussion because regardless if Obama or Trump are at the helm; it could be assumed by anyone that the U.S. military would defend itself if attacked, to do otherwise would result in your military losing it's volunteers overnight.

[WaldoKitty]

Originally Posted by burdell

But you have yet to answer whether you think a US presence there is justified? Doesn't that fence get uncomfortable after a while?

What fence?

• I don't think Obama & Hillary should have started another war in Syria. It was not justified. Why?

• The Obama war plan was flawed. He tried to fight nice war. As a result, ISIS got stronger, millions ended up getting displaced, it mired us down in a mess. He lost his partner David Cameron.

• Obama's war also put us into opposition with the Russians. I said earlier in this topic why.

• Now it's Trump's war to fight.

• Trump has 3 choices

• Continue Obama failed war plan - This has been nixed
• Immediate pull out which wastes all the time, effort & blood already spent there, and admit defeat.
• Execute different war plan that brings victory to USA against ISIS.

I've answered your question. Now you tell us what Trump should do.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by burdell

But that doesn't really answer my question, if they're being locked on and responding with "extreme vigor", why aren't we hearing reports of shoot downs? It seems we've heard the stories for many years of both sides playing games with each other in international airspace, isn't locking on just to show you can part of those games?

Because they all know better than to push it that far.


At least they have before now. With a Russian fighter coming within 5 feet of an RC-135, I'm not sure whether they aren't willing to push it to the limits. If they were achieve a semi-active or active air-to-air lock on over the Baltic in NATO territory...a US pilot might have the restraint to look first. But that's going to be his own cockpit decision.


Over Syria--an active combat zone where the threat has already been made--Navy pilots are not going to be restrained and no commander would try to restrain them.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

What fence?

The one you sit on rather than answering a question.

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

• I don't think Obama & Hillary should have started another war in Syria. It was not justified. Why?

Oh crap! NOW it's gonna snow at the beach, I actually agree with you about something.

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

• The Obama war plan was flawed. He tried to fight nice war. As a result, ISIS got stronger, millions ended up getting displaced, it mired us down in a mess. He lost his partner David Cameron.

• Obama's war also put us into opposition with the Russians. I said earlier in this topic why.

IF starting the war was a bad idea as you say and I agree with, there was never such a thing as an unflawed plan.

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

• Now it's Trump's war to fight.

• Trump has 3 choices

• Continue Obama failed war plan - This has been nixed
• Immediate pull out which wastes all the time, effort & blood already spent there, and admit defeat.
• Execute different war plan that brings victory to USA against ISIS.

I've answered your question. Now you tell us what Trump should do.

I disagree, when you realize you're in a bad position, whether by your own doing or your predecessor's, continuing in that position makes no sense at all. The old advice is still good advice, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP digging!

I believe Trump should order a pullout from Syria be accomplished as quickly as possible. It's simply not our war and there's nothing to be won by continuing there.

[greywar]

Waldos response would make more sense if we weren't shooting down Syrian aircraft, and launching tomahawks on Syrian airbases. Thats not "fighting ISIS", thats fighting Syria.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

Absolutely not.

I said that Trump was not criminally liable for Obama's decision to start a war with Syria, IF as some said here, that it was an illegal action.

He is responsible for us being there today, and he is responsible for everything that happens there, like the downing of the jet.

Why are you having such a hard time with this?

Has the summer finally arrived in Moscow?

[burdell]

Originally Posted by greywar

Waldos response would make more sense if we weren't shooting down Syrian aircraft, and launching tomahawks on Syrian airbases. Thats not "fighting ISIS", thats fighting Syria.

Million$ to shut down a Syrian airbase for a few hours, so glad we're cutting government waste.

[WaldoKitty]

Originally Posted by burdell

I believe Trump should order a pullout from Syria be accomplished as quickly as possible. It's simply not our war and there's nothing to be won by continuing there.

So we disagree on this. Nothing wrong with it.

Syria is Obama's war. Trump is now president and he has to deal with it. He will not be impeached for it as was earlier stated.

US Military was also right to warn Russia that if they attack our forces, we will absolutely defend ourselves.