Charlottesville Protests (broadcast, interview, legal, weapons)

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

There were several marches previously and they didn't turn violent as far as protesters vs. Counter-protesters go.

The only violence that occurred prior to this weekend is when the Counter-protesters clashed with the cops after the KKK had gone home.

The Nazis and KKK really built this up over the last few months. In between the marches they spewed anti-everyone rhetoric about local politicians and anything else not White.

They were determined to get a reaction out of the Left this time and (don't freak out because I'm not defending the Nazis and KKK here) they knew just what buttons to push because certain factions on the Left (BLM and ANIFA) LOVE violence.

The Nazis and KKK don't need any encouragement to be hate-mongering a-holes. Getting the alt-Left to take the bait was easy because of their love of all things violent.

It was a member of the Nazi group that killed and injured people.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Drewjdeg

Alt-right lunatics have killed unprovoked many times; the rhetoric of white supremacists is dangerous, especially when it leads to a Dylan Roof, or that Minnesota man that bragged about killing five BLM protestors.

Alt-Right usually do their nefarious deeds outside of marches/rallies.

The Alt-Left love doing their dirty work at marches/rallies.

It's an interesting tactical difference between the two psychotic groups.

Like I linked earlier in this thread...there had been several marches and no incidents until the last one and it was after the KKK had gone home.

[NVplumber]

Originally Posted by steven_h

Please try to refrain from loading up on a diatribe, deflection and rationalization.

I have a very simple question:

Do you support the violence of the anti-supremacists?

Now, keep in mind they showed up from as far away as Berkeley and NYC armed with weapons and tactical gear, so hundreds of them came intent on fighting.

I'm more of a pacifist Libertarian, so I don't support intentional violence of any sort.



So, do you?

I do not support the violence by the counter protesters. I don't support White supremacists, but I don't support Black supremacists either. I refuse to give even a shred of credibility to this idea of White guilt and that only White people can be racist or endorse hatred Both sides in VA came ready and looking for a fight. There was no intention by either of peaceful protest.

Since VA, the mob violence mentality has escaped further and is getting worse daily. This is not about justice, equality, or an eradication of hate. It's about revenge, establishing superiority and justifying hatred and violence using anger over hatred and violence. As much as I abhor the Hitler humpers they do not hold all the blame singularly for what is and has had happened.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by Cruithne

Very easy answer to this question.

Watch the VICE program that followed the White Supremacists, KKK and Neo Nazis on Friday night and the following day. The VICE team interviewed them and were even allowed at one point to accompany some of them in their van.
Should tell you all you need to know.
The VICE program is just half an hour long.

Then come back here with your own conclusions.

Here's the video and it is eye opening. So much of it is shocking and they are so proud. 3:40 tells what they think of Jews. 19:08 shows how heavily armed they were. All of it really tells what these guys were about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by Seacove

It was a member of the Nazi group that killed and injured people.

And that's a rarity for the Nazis/KKK.

They like doing their dirty work ala McVeigh/Roof.

It's a tactical difference in the two extremist sides that I've noticed. At least here in the U.S.

[Salmonburgher]

Originally Posted by mas23

how do you explain people that claim to be pratriots while waving nazi flags and confederate flags? The same regimes that This country technically fought against?

1. I have not called anyone a patriot. Nor have I claimed anyone to be unpatriotic.

2. I do not believe that those waving the Confederate flag are necessarily racists, and they are certainly not enemies of the US. I think most of them simply advocate states rights rather than an over-reaching federal government.

States rights is not code for a racist desire to bring back slavery. Not today.

The argument over states vs federal rights is as old as our nation, and whilst slavery was an important (and vile) manifestation of the issue, it was not the only manifestation of the issue.

In fact, going back to the colonies, prior to the revolution and the subsequent formation of our nation, the peoples of the various colonies were wary of each other and very guarded of their right to govern themselves without the supervision or interference of the other colonies.

This was true to the extent that the founding fathers had great difficulty convincing the colonies to unite:



That is a fact.

The Articles of Confederation were a result of the States (each of which signed the Paris Peace Treaty with Great Britain as a sovereign) coming together suspiciously and warily of a too powerful central government. The Constitution was an attempt to balance States rights against the new general (federal) government and to preserve for the States many of the rights that today the federal government has taken for itself.

As early as 1793 a case was brought to the US Supreme Court (Chisholm v. Ga., 2 U.S. 419 (1793)), and SCOTUS ruled that a South Carolina citizen could sue the state of Georgia in the US Supreme Court for money damages. This SCOTUS ruling resulted in condemnation by many of the states as it impinged on the sovereignty of the states, which sovereignty was purported to have been retained in the Constitution. As a consequence, the 11th amendment was passed soon thereafter. The 11th amendment restricts private actions brought against the various states in federal court and reads as follows:

The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any foreign state.

Yes, as stated above, the issue of slavery was a states rights issue and it was obviously an evil and vile institution, and the South was wrong to fight to retain that institution.

But, they were not wrong altogether on the issue of States vs. Federal power. That issue has remained the primary issue in US politics from the beginning through history to today.

It is extremely disingenuous of the Left (who generally favor a stronger federal government and a weaker state government) to assert that States Rights is merely and only code for a racist desire to bring back the institution of slavery.

The States Rights issue was at the heart of the forming of our nation and persists now as the main political divide among Americans.

Prior to the Civil War, Americans said, the United States are...

After the Civil War, Americans began saying, the United States is...

I imagine that the vast majority who fly the Confederate flag do so as an advocacy for returning original powers back to the States and have no desire whatsoever to place blacks back into a condition of involuntary servitude.

Originally Posted by mas23

without mentioning the 1st amendment please

Oooh. That pesky 1st amendment!

[Tom Lennox 70]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

Simple question-had the Charlottesville rally, held legally and with an issued permit-been allowed to happen with out the intervention of violent counter-protesters such as Antifa and BLM, would the rally have turned violent?

I mean, it's possible. Look at all the leftist demonstrations where property is destroyed, businesses looted, neighborhoods burned, highways and emergency services blocked. All when no counter-protesters showed up. So you can't say it isn't possible that the white supremacists would have turned to the same tactics. The question is-is it likely that it would have happened? Is there history in the recent past (say the last 10 years) of such things happening by such groups? Honestly-I don't know-I don't follow the acts of these ignorant a-hats. And is it likely that innocent people, with nothing to do with the protest that happened to be at the wrong place, would have been dragged out of their cars and beaten, simply due to their race? These thing did happened at BLM protests.

So, thoughts. Without counter-protesters would this particular group of ignorant racists have gotten as violent as left-wing protesters?

As a minority conservative I have no tolerance for white supremacism however I agree the leftists overall are more violent. The violence at Trump rallies happened when liberal protesters infiltrated these events to cause trouble, while on the other hands Trump supporters were attacked simply for walking down the street wearing a Trump shirt like in Chicago and had their vehicles vandalized for having Trump bumper stickers. The left wing is VERY violent and extreme and the basis of many of their protests like BLM and Colin Kaepernick are completely unfounded. There is no widespread police racism or brutality and in most of the cases they mention like Mike Brown, Alton Sterling and Freddie Gray and Travyon Martin it was the "victim" that caused their own death through their own actions.

[Tom Lennox 70]

Both sides in that rally were deplorable, like literally the ideological offspring of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union with a bit of Nation of Islam/Black Panthers mixed in. Neo-Nazi racists vs radical socialists and black racists and illegal immigrants. Trump was absolutely right in denouncing both sides.

[Cammila]

In any case, Nazis are innocent. They are right about everything, and superior to everyone else.

We get it

[klaucka]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

^^And this is the ultimate goal. Divide and rule. Too bad it's working.

Yep, the tech titans become trillionaires, the washington fat cats on both sides get fatter, and wall street makes $$$$ off all of it while paying the lowest tax rates. while 99.99 percent of working americans get poorer and poorer.