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Believing that the Jews are conspiring to eliminate whites, and Christians, and destroy all nations with mass-immigration(except for Israel of course), because they see us as a threat; Doesn't make you a Nazi.
If I was a Jew, that is exactly what I would be doing. Dividing and conquering, just like America does with its enemies/rivals.
Everything I read said that the counterprotesters didn't have a permit. But, I'm not entirely sure how counterprotesting works, it seems to be more organic, as compared to specifically holding a rally, as in the case of Unite the Right.
Let me give you some advice my friend. If you really don't want Nazis to rise again, the best thing to do is just ignore them. Trust me, these "militant" groups benefit enormously from conflict. If you had one of these rallies every week, and people start showing up, and there is more conflict; Each rally will be bigger and more-violent than the last. With the "soldiers" on both sides showing up, often driving across the country, to stand up for their side.
Had the left just not shown up in Charlottesville, they would have protested the statue coming down, it would have come down anyway, and that would be it. Drawing attention to something is counterproductive.
This had nothing to do with religion. The protesters weren't chanting religious slogans. The protesters weren't threatening the clergy. The only reason the protesters were near the church, was because it was in close-proximity to the statue(IE it was on campus).
As for the example, I agree that the right-wing would be very upset about it, and yes, many of them push for limits on freedom of speech. But I can guarantee you, nothing would actually happen. And the scene you guys are depicting, happens all over Europe, and they don't limit freedom of speech either.
Really? When the brown-shirts of Nazi Germany ran around the streets declaring Jews sub-human, do you think they should have been ignored? What would have been the history of the world and how many millions of lives would have been spared if those Nazis had not been ignored or tolerated by the German people to the extent that they were?
No-- never, ever ignore evil. It will simply germinate and spread. As has been said many times, the worst crime is for ordinary people to remain silent in the face of evil.
Angry men marched through the streets of Charlottesville chanting, "Jews will not replace us!". You think they should be ignored? Really?
These Neo-Nazis and white nationalists must learn from the American people that they will not be tolerated, despite what the crazy loon in the White House says.
Eh. In their defense, how are you going to balance this discussion? The only people who would be willing to minimize what happened would be the alt-right, 45, or a Fox News commentator.
Any other choices would have been more balanced, literally. It's as if they sat down and thought, "who are the three most anti-Trump and anti-white people we can get? Who best typifies a villain from a David Duke essay yet is still dignified enough for a Newshour panel?"
Believing that the Jews are conspiring to eliminate whites, and Christians, and destroy all nations with mass-immigration(except for Israel of course), because they see us as a threat; Doesn't make you a Nazi.
If I was a Jew, that is exactly what I would be doing. Dividing and conquering, just like America does with its enemies/rivals.
Everything I read said that the counterprotesters didn't have a permit. But, I'm not entirely sure how counterprotesting works, it seems to be more organic, as compared to specifically holding a rally, as in the case of Unite the Right.
Let me give you some advice my friend. If you really don't want Nazis to rise again, the best thing to do is just ignore them. Trust me, these "militant" groups benefit enormously from conflict. If you had one of these rallies every week, and people start showing up, and there is more conflict; Each rally will be bigger and more-violent than the last. With the "soldiers" on both sides showing up, often driving across the country, to stand up for their side.
Had the left just not shown up in Charlottesville, they would have protested the statue coming down, it would have come down anyway, and that would be it. Drawing attention to something is counterproductive.
This had nothing to do with religion. The protesters weren't chanting religious slogans. The protesters weren't threatening the clergy. The only reason the protesters were near the church, was because it was in close-proximity to the statue(IE it was on campus).
As for the example, I agree that the right-wing would be very upset about it, and yes, many of them push for limits on freedom of speech. But I can guarantee you, nothing would actually happen. And the scene you guys are depicting, happens all over Europe, and they don't limit freedom of speech either.
Regarding the bolded - if it doesn't make you a Nazi it at the very least makes you an idiot. But what makes one a Nazi is acting on those beliefs and marching out there to intimidate and terrorise people based on idiotic beliefs.
Regarding the permits - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rotests-racism "“Kessler’s assertion in this regard is supported by the fact that the city solely revoked his permit but left in place the permits issued to counter-protestors,” Conrad added. The ruling allowed the protests to continue" so my understanding from that is that the counter protesters did have permits, although I agree there was most likely a lot of organic unplanned protest as well, especially after what happened Friday night.
Ignoring the Nazis is not a good idea, not if you don't want history to repeat itself.
I didn't say it had anything to do with religion, its to do with terror. Muslim extremists surrounding a church, carrying burning torches, and chanting hate messages would be an act of terror, and so is a gang of White Supremacists surrounding a church, carrying burning torches, and chanting hate messages. They are both acts of terrorism, designed to instil terror in people.
Really? When the brown-shirts of Nazi Germany ran around the streets declaring Jews sub-human, do you think they should have been ignored? What would have been the history of the world and how many millions of lives would have been spared if those Nazis had not been ignored or tolerated by the German people to the extent that they were?
Do you even know the history of Nazi Germany?
After WWI ended, the communists tried to take control of Germany. The nationalists, most of which were returning members of the German Army, prevented the communist takeover of Germany.
A large percentage of the "Brown shirts" were ex-military, including Hitler and most high-ranking members of the National-Socialist Party. And these "Nationalists" fought constantly on the streets with the communists. Much like the nationalists are fighting with Antifa(IE communists) today.
In the end, it was the very-real threat from the communists which enabled Hitler to pass the enabling-act(Reichstag fire).
Basically, it was the chaos and violence which led to the rise of the authoritarian government. Because when there is chaos and violence in the streets, the people, and the corporations, will push for a "law-and-order" candidate, who can bring back stability.
Hitler was harmless without a clearly-visible enemy, who was a perceived threat to the stability of Germany, and thus a threat to the business-interests of the country.
If you want an authoritarian government, please, go punch a Nazi. If you want freedom, just ignore them. People have been ignoring them for years, and no one cared about them. All this event is going to do, is swell their numbers. The same goes for what happened last year with BLM.
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Originally Posted by ellemint
No-- never, ever ignore evil. It will simply germinate and spread. As has been said many times, the worst crime is for ordinary people to remain silent in the face of evil.
You are wrong in assuming they are evil. They do not see themselves as evil.
Your real goal is not to defeat them, it is to win them over. And you cannot win them over, if you refuse to try to understand where they are coming from. You must always assume that the people you disagree with, are trying to do good; Your job is to show them where they've gone wrong.
Calling them evil is counterproductive.
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I can only believe many of them were so freaked out over their sure thing losing that they just can't help but lash out regardless of how nutty they act.
Regarding the bolded - if it doesn't make you a Nazi it at the very least makes you an idiot. But what makes one a Nazi is acting on those beliefs and marching out there to intimidate and terrorise people based on idiotic beliefs.
You don't know history. You believe the lies peddled by people who want to tell you what to think. I advise you to learn more before you come on here and waste my time.
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Originally Posted by Natsku
I didn't say it had anything to do with religion, its to do with terror. Muslim extremists surrounding a church, carrying burning torches, and chanting hate messages would be an act of terror, and so is a gang of White Supremacists surrounding a church, carrying burning torches, and chanting hate messages. They are both acts of terrorism, designed to instil terror in people.
You also said they were chanting "Allah Akbar", which at least gives it an implication of being religiously-motivated. You also say "hate messages" without giving any context. Were the hate-messages aimed at the Church and Christianity?
What I'm saying is, your example is stupid, because it isn't anywhere near the same. The "White-Nationalists" were only near the church, because the statue was near the church.
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So do I. I hate all that Trump stands for an all of the hate that he spews and inspires. He hates immigrants, blacks, probably women, certainly poor people except his base and even them he must hate since what he wants to do to their healthcare.
Yes, it sounds like an oxymoron but it's really the best way to describe it.
I wonder what kind of panel PBS had when the alt-left activist showed up shooting republicans as they were playing baseball.
There was only one of him. A lone tiki torch carrying activist is one thing.... but a crowd of them is terrifying.
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