Should black people be advocating for other persons of color as well? Why or why not? (Chicago, visa)
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Why just other minorities? Shouldn't Blacks and every other race in this country advocate for our citizenry as a whole including whites?
Because so many of them have been pandered to and issued the Victim Card and revision historied, they've forgotten democrats were the KKK.
Now, for the ones who refuse the race card and the victim card, and the Crumbs, the sky is the limit for them, but it doesn't lead the headlines.
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Originally Posted by Rocko20
Asians don’t need anyone advocating for them, they’re already prosperous, educated, and not perpetual victims.
We’ve already seen that black criminals are more likely to attack Asians than support them.
Also, the left claims race is a social construct. So technically it’s all imaginary.
I’m a black American.
Go ask Asians how hard they have to test to get into an Ivy League school.
Which school did AOC go to and how did what she learned prepare her for serving in her current capacity? I'm assuming she is of some sort of minority, along with the rest of the Squad who don't do Squat.
Go ask Asians how hard they have to test to get into an Ivy League school.
Ivy Leagues discriminating against Asians is a liberal problem. If Asians don't like it they should probably stop voting Democrat.
And why would blacks care that Asians can't get into Ivy Leagues, when blacks are the ones benefiting from Asians not getting into Ivy Leagues?
You might as well claims blacks need to advocate for Jewish people, another highly educated and prosperous minority group that doesn't condone perpetual victimization.
If blacks and Hispanics want to be like Asians and the Jewish, the first step is not blaming everything on white people.
Without LE the whole country would be in chaos now and in the future.
Police are a relatively modern invention. The world was less chaotic before the invention of police. What then is the real purpose of police? What are the social conditions that make them necessary? What would happen if they didn't exist? What would you do? Where would you go? Where would you be living a year from now without the police?
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Just because people like you vote based on self-interests doesn't mean that everyone else does so just stop it right now!
There is nothing wrong with self-interest. I don't know why you want to fight with me. Your whole attitude reminds me of this video.
Everyone votes their interests, but that doesn't mean my interests can't be the interests of society. Corporations donate to all kinds of charities that offer community support, protection of the environment, scholarship programs, etc. But every corporation is purely driven by self-interests/profit.
Milton Friedman again explains the dynamic in this video where he quotes Adam Smith.
What you need to understand is that greed alone won't get you what you want. To get what you want you have to convince other people to give it to you. Basically, to get what you want, you have to convince me to support a policy that benefits you. But why would I support a policy that benefits you? I wouldn't. Which is why you don't tell me the policy benefits you. You tell me the policy benefits me.
The people ranting about society and advocating for socialism are the most selfish people of all.
If someone mentions society, prepare to give your wallet. If someone tells you that you're an American, prepare to give your life. No one talks like that unless they want something from you. That's the socially-acceptable way of being greedy.
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Police are a relatively modern invention. The world was less chaotic before the invention of police. What then is the real purpose of police? What are the social conditions that make them necessary? What would happen if they didn't exist? What would you do? Where would you go? Where would you be living a year from now without the police?
There is nothing wrong with self-interest. I don't know why you want to fight with me. Your whole attitude reminds me of this video.
Everyone votes their interests, but that doesn't mean my interests can't be the interests of society. Corporations donate to all kinds of charities that offer community support, protection of the environment, scholarship programs, etc. But every corporation is purely driven by self-interests/profit.
Milton Friedman again explains the dynamic in this video where he quotes Adam Smith.
What you need to understand is that greed alone won't get you what you want. To get what you want you have to convince other people to give it to you. Basically, to get what you want, you have to convince me to support a policy that benefits you. But why would I support a policy that benefits you? I wouldn't. Which is why you don't tell me the policy benefits you. You tell me the policy benefits me.
The people ranting about society and advocating for socialism are the most selfish people of all.
If someone mentions society, prepare to give your wallet. If someone tells you that you're an American, prepare to give your life. No one talks like that unless they want something from you. That's the socially-acceptable way of being greedy.
You are far in the minority that thinks we don't need LE and hate the police in general. You need to do some soul searching and understand why we do need LE especially these days.
Yes, there is something wrong with self-interest because it rules everyone else out. Fight with you? I'm merely expressing my opinion as you are.
Once again, why are you speaking for everyone else? No, not everyone votes based on their own self-interests and I'm a prime example of that. No, you can't vote only based on your own self-interests while also including the rest of society.
I'm not interested in talking about corporations and what they do and don't do as it's not in keeping with this topic. I'm not interested in talking about greed either as it has nothing to do with the topic either. This topic is about whether or not Blacks should advocate for other minorities. IMO, everyone should advocate for each other regardless of their race, respect our laws and vote based on what is good for our country and its citizens as a whole.
Many blacks probably don't believe angry old white guys telling them how they are being harmed by illegal immigration. They probably don't believe the old white guys care about them and are just disingenuously trying to forward their own agenda using them to carry water like a mule.
Well, I can't say that I have the ability to refute this. Illegal aliens are of no benefit to the Black population. On the flip side, when demographics are a major focus, it doesn't provide alot of incentive. When there is a "vote Republican or else" mindset going on, that won't provide much incentive either. And I do think there are Black people who feel like they're being asked to take up the illegal immigration issue in a way similar to carrying water like a mule.
I'm not saying that illegal immigration isn't an issue. I know it is. And something needs to be done about it. While this is an issue more Black Americans need to take seriously, there are other problems. There is a deep trust issue involved. Some feel that some conservatives only want Blacks to vote Republicans for everyone else's benefit other than Black Americans.
I will add something else. Some Blacks feel like "once you're done whipping on Hispanics, you'll go back to whipping on us". That sentiment does exist. Not saying every Black person feels that way. I am saying it is there. How to break out of that mindset is going to be a quandary of its own.
I came across this video earlier today. A Black YouTuber basically said that Black Americans have no allies, quoting Dr. John Henrik Clarke. Another thing that crossed my mind was this thread. Now, I feel I need to preface this post. I am not advocating being tribal and clannish. This is just something I thought about.
To be honest, I don't know how many Black Americans advocate for other non-White people. Given what I've seen on social media and what I've seen in real life, I haven't seen many Blacks advocate for other persons of color. And I haven't seen that many Hispanics or Asians advocate for Blacks. At least not in my experiences.
As for an answer to this question, I don't know what to feel. It's difficult for me to come up with a consensus. On one hand, I always want to be empathetic. If someone is being harmed or discriminated against, it's important to speak up and say something. On the other hand, I often wonder how many people feel the same.
Well, I can't say that I have the ability to refute this. Illegal aliens are of no benefit to the Black population. On the flip side, when demographics are a major focus, it doesn't provide alot of incentive. When there is a "vote Republican or else" mindset going on, that won't provide much incentive either. And I do think there are Black people who feel like they're being asked to take up the illegal immigration issue in a way similar to carrying water like a mule.
I'm not saying that illegal immigration isn't an issue. I know it is. And something needs to be done about it. While this is an issue more Black Americans need to take seriously, there are other problems. There is a deep trust issue involved. Some feel that some conservatives only want Blacks to vote Republicans for everyone else's benefit other than Black Americans.
I will add something else. Some Blacks feel like "once you're done whipping on Hispanics, you'll go back to whipping on us". That sentiment does exist. Not saying every Black person feels that way. I am saying it is there. How to break out of that mindset is going to be a quandary of its own.
Who's whipping legal Hispanics if they support the rule of law, assimilate into our society and aren't a tax burden? Why don't Blacks take on the illegal immigration issue without any influence by old, white conservative Republicans or anyone else that opposes it simply because it's against the law and harms Blacks just as much as Whites? You won't answer that though will, you? You're making this a race issue when clearly it isn't!
One doesn't have to be a Republican to support our immigration laws. You just have to be an American. That's just a cop out on your part.
Who's whipping legal Hispanics if they support the rule of law? Why don't Blacks take on the illegal immigration issue without any influence by old, white conservative Republicans or anyone else that opposes it simply because it's against the law and harms Blacks just as much as Whites? You won't answer that though will, you? You're making this a race issue when clearly it isn't!
One doesn't have to be a Republican to support our immigration laws. That's just a cop out on your part.
We do,it is just that democrats silence the issue. Trust,i know plenty of us that wont vote for democrats or republicans that are passive about illegals.
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