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Old 09-23-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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None of those had a chance of actually becoming law (which some House Republicans have done as well).

Sure it is a bit hypocritical, but it is one thing to cast a symbolic vote for or against something when it has no chance of becoming law. It is another thing entirely when that vote for or against something has consequences.

I do find it interesting that in all of the slams on McCain for his vote against this bill or the skinny one, no one has made any arguments on what is good about either bill and why it should be passed.
Not only did he vote like he did, he ran on over turning Obamacare. Not "fixing" it, but overturning it.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It is ironic that people who are so willing to send troops into any country to promote democracy have impugned the intentions of John McCain who only insist that we adhere to those very values and procedures that we claim are the corner stone of democracy.

Republicans are still smarting from being blindsided by the ACA passing. Now they want to see if they can do it too. The difference is the Democratic Party was unified and many democrats fell on their swords for the president back then. Republicans have neither of those attributes today. Washington needs to be purged of legislators who don’t want “regular order.”
You mean the value of returning power to the states, those kind of values that the country was founded on? Maybe McCain sees this as a threat to the absolute power of D.C. over the people and therefor a loss of said power?
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Funny, he never really mentioned any of that during his reelection campaigns or over the last 7 years. Are y'all trying to say that all of a sudden he's gotten "religion"?
If he cared about debate and what the CBO said there's lots of things he's voted for in the past that he should have killed using the same standards he's spewing today.

There's more to it that he's saying. Maybe with body failure imminent he's trying to soften what his legacy will be?
What gets me is he's (again) denying the possibility of attaining the same medical care he enjoys to the people who pay him.

How does the skinny bill or Graham-cassidy provide the possibility of obtaining the same coverage McCain has?
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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He's a war hero, he needs to keep that fighting spirit alive.

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Old 09-23-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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How does the skinny bill or Graham-cassidy provide the possibility of obtaining the same coverage McCain has?
When you return power to the states you then make YOUR voice more powerful as you are now dealing locally where every vote really counts vs trying to speak to some idiot in D.C..
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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That's why they are never concerned over their hypocrisy. There is always someone that will defend it.
Yeah, but I don't know. The thing is, calling out hypocrisy is good, but if someone consistently acts against what a good senator does then, hypocritically, starts behaving like a good senator, I think it's better to reward the good behavior than to berate him for hypocrisy.

But I see your point, to be fair. And you're not wrong.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Not only did he vote like he did, he ran on over turning Obamacare. Not "fixing" it, but overturning it.
So he runs on overturning it and the alternatives that come out he feels are worse...
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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When you return power to the states you then make YOUR voice more powerful as you are now dealing locally where every vote really counts vs trying to speak to some idiot in D.C..
What does this have to do with providing the coverage McCain has?
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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John McCain is one of a handful of elected representatives that has true integrity. He is by no means a democrat. But he is willing to take a stand when he sees the Swamp trying to pass a bill strictly for political gain, without ANY concern about how the bill will effect people. If only more of our elected officials would do the right thing, rather than pandering to their party's agenda.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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John McCain is one of a handful of elected representatives that has true integrity. He is by no means a democrat. But he is willing to take a stand when he sees the Swamp trying to pass a bill strictly for political gain, without ANY concern about how the bill will effect people. If only more of our elected officials would do the right thing, rather than pandering to their party's agenda.
^^^^^This. It is a shame that when a politician wants to do the right thing and have a partisan bill, he basically gets spat on.
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