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Old 09-18-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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Jane Fonda was once again in the news due to her Emmy appearance over the weekend.

And once again her past actions will continue to haunt her as long as she lives, and deservedly so.

There are some myths attributed to Jane that some people still state as truths, such as Fonda betraying POW's by handing their secret notes intended for her, to their captors (never happened according to the POW's themselves).

However, what she did do was bad enough.

Yes, she DID sit on an anti aircraft gun (which she tried to minimize and excuse later on in her autobiography decades later).

Yes, she DID make radio announcements asking U.S. pilots to stop bombing campaigns (similar to people like Tokyo Rose).

And yes, she DID make statements mimimizing the experiences of POW's.

So let her forever be known as "Hanoi Jane."

How Jane Fonda’s 1972 trip to North Vietnam earned her the nickname ‘Hanoi Jane’

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By July 1972, when Fonda accepted an invitation to visit North Vietnam, America had been at war overseas and with itself for years. She went to tour the country’s **** system, which was rumored to have been intentionally bombed by American forces — something the U.S. government to this day forcefully denies. During her two-week stay, Fonda concluded that America was unjustly bombing farmland and areas far flung from military targets. North Vietnamese press reported — and Fonda later confirmed — that she made several radio announcements over the Voice of Vietnam radio to implore U.S. pilots to stop the bombings.....

“These men were bombing and strafing and napalming the country,” she said, according to an Associated Press report in April 1973, which quoted an interview she gave to KNBC-TV in Los Angeles. “If a prisoner tried to escape, it is quite understandable that he would probably be beaten and tortured.”
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:45 PM
 
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Didn't John McCain come out in support of her? I guess if he can forgive her I certainly can.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:55 AM
 
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The war was lost years before 1972.

The vitriol aimed at Fonda is nothing more than misplaced anger at someone that didn't send anyone to war. If Vietnam Vets wanna be pyssed at someone, start with Ike, the Dulles Brothers, Kennedy, Lemay, McNamara, Abrams, Westmoreland, LBJ, Nixon, Kissinger and the like. Jane Fonda ain't your problem.

But no, they always let the powerful slide. Hey...Kissinger is still alive, and he's just as much of a war criminal as ever. His Kissinger and Associates is still drumming up millions of dollars of business out of their offices in Washington and New York! He has homes in both places. This is the guy that undermined the Paris Peace Talks behind LBJ's back and got thousands of more American troops killed....only to advise Nixon to accept that same deal a few years later.

So instead of following Fonda around at book signings so you can spit on her, go spit on Kissinger at his book signings (he still writes). Go picket at his offices in New York and D.C.

But no... the vets are scared to go after HIM.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:59 AM
 
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Didn't John McCain come out in support of her? I guess if he can forgive her I certainly can.
There's nothing to forgive her for. She didn't send anyone to die in Vietnam. That was was lost more than a decade before she got there. We would've still got our asses kicked regardless.
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Old 09-19-2017, 02:20 AM
 
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While Trump dodged the Viet Nam war with Fake News of a heel spur.
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Old 09-19-2017, 03:24 AM
 
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There's nothing to forgive her for. She didn't send anyone to die in Vietnam. That was was lost more than a decade before she got there. We would've still got our asses kicked regardless.
Lack of knowledge of history is noted.

If any actor/actress went to ISIS and did same - they would be in jail !
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:16 AM
 
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The war was lost years before 1972.

The vitriol aimed at Fonda is nothing more than misplaced anger at someone that didn't send anyone to war. If Vietnam Vets wanna be pyssed at someone, start with Ike, the Dulles Brothers, Kennedy, Lemay, McNamara, Abrams, Westmoreland, LBJ, Nixon, Kissinger and the like. Jane Fonda ain't your problem.

But no, they always let the powerful slide. Hey...Kissinger is still alive, and he's just as much of a war criminal as ever. His Kissinger and Associates is still drumming up millions of dollars of business out of their offices in Washington and New York! He has homes in both places. This is the guy that undermined the Paris Peace Talks behind LBJ's back and got thousands of more American troops killed....only to advise Nixon to accept that same deal a few years later.

So instead of following Fonda around at book signings so you can spit on her, go spit on Kissinger at his book signings (he still writes). Go picket at his offices in New York and D.C.

But no... the vets are scared to go after HIM.
Why would you start with Ike and not Truman?

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And to your point, the way people like Obama and Bush armed the powder keg known as the Middle East, it looks like you will support a lot of spitting in the near future.
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:20 AM
 
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Jane Fonda was once again in the news due to her Emmy appearance over the weekend.

And once again her past actions will continue to haunt her as long as she lives, and deservedly so.

There are some myths attributed to Jane that some people still state as truths, such as Fonda betraying POW's by handing their secret notes intended for her, to their captors (never happened according to the POW's themselves).

However, what she did do was bad enough.

Yes, she DID sit on an anti aircraft gun (which she tried to minimize and excuse later on in her autobiography decades later).

Yes, she DID make radio announcements asking U.S. pilots to stop bombing campaigns (similar to people like Tokyo Rose).

And yes, she DID make statements mimimizing the experiences of POW's.

So let her forever be known as "Hanoi Jane."

How Jane Fonda’s 1972 trip to North Vietnam earned her the nickname ‘Hanoi Jane’



The best thing that ever happened to her:

Vietnam vet spits at Jane Fonda
The Vietnam war was lost because of Jane Fonda giving hope to our enemies. The Vietcong were loving it when they sympathized with them over and over. The college kids were lead by the communists to hate the America soldier. The spirit to the American soldier was hate for them in the 70's. They were not welcomed back after the war. Many American soldiers felt abused and hated. They did not back them at all for their service because of Jane Fonda and John Kerry's comments. They led the propaganda against our soldiers who served bravely against the spread of communism.

John Kerry and Hanoi Jane communists.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMGrcDLxXyA
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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The Vietnam war was lost because of Jane Fonda giving hope to our enemies. The Vietcong were loving it when they sympathized with them over and over. The college kids were lead by the communists to hate the America soldier. The spirit to the American soldier was hate for them in the 70's. They were not welcomed back after the war. Many American soldiers felt abused and hated. They did not back them at all for their service because of Jane Fonda and John Kerry's comments. They led the propaganda against our soldiers who served bravely against the spread of communism.

John Kerry and Hanoi Jane communists.

NONSENSE!

The Vietnam War was lost because there was NEVER anything to be won in the first place.

It was ill-conceived, ill-managed, and typical of the asinine wars of choice we involve ourselves in due to the delusional thinking that the world should conform to our image of it.

May LBJ, McNamara, and Nixon share their own special circle of hell.
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Little known factoid..Ho Chi Minh helped the US during WWII by working with the OSS to return downed pilots to their countries--he received a letter of commendation for it.

He stated in his diary that he was perplexed he was fighting the US--since all he wanted for his country was the right to self-determination..the same thing that the colonists wanted during the Revolutionary war.

We picked the wrong side, that time.
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