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And appearances are justification for going to war?
I didn't say it was justified, just stating their motivation. Yes, it was selfish, and self serving as politicians feared for their jobs, and as we all know just want to be re-elected at all costs. Damn the consequences. However, there was tremendous public, and media pressure to stop communism up until the mid to late 1960's.
A LOT of people were anti-viet nam if you are old enough to remember.
November 15 1961 over half million people marched on DC.
Fonda was young and opinionated just like every young person.
Not saying she did not do some things she probably shouldn't have and I am sure she regrets now.
A lot of american soldiers were spit on when they came back from Nam.
Some times I think people just want to transfer their disgust about themselves and they way they acted onto someone else.
I say 'get over it'.
I say "get through it"
You don't get "over" something. Soldiers who have been through combat don't get "over" the horror of war; some can never get "over" the horrible treatment they received from their fellow country men. They learn to live with it, and they learn to get through it.
She should get over it though. She should get over the feeling of wanting to be the center of attention all the God damned time.
As usual, you're off base. I DID address what was said and will ALWAYS maintain the real traitors were those who took us to and sustained a war there.
Hate to burst your self-righteous bubble but Truman wasn't the man who did so. Perhaps you've become too accustomed to 'alternative facts' to separate them from reality?
You just called Truman a traitor to the USA.
Your argument failed on all levels.
Attacking me, as you do to most everyone here, only highlights that.
I didn't say it was justified, just stating their motivation. Yes, it was selfish, and self serving as politicians feared for their jobs, and as we all know just want to be re-elected at all costs. Damn the consequences. However, there was tremendous public, and media pressure to stop communism up until the mid to late 1960's.
I agree with you.
Which is why one should never judge history using perfect hindsight.
As others have said, our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines were treated horrible when they returned here. That was a horrible period of our history. Through the aviation community, I know a good amount of men who served in different capacities in Vietnam. Some flew missions, and were shot at, and some were wounded in ground warfare. None of them deserved the treatment they received. They were just pawns in a political, and economic upheaval.
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I didn't say it was justified, just stating their motivation. Yes, it was selfish, and self serving as politicians feared for their jobs, and as we all know just want to be re-elected at all costs. Damn the consequences. However, there was tremendous public, and media pressure to stop communism up until the mid to late 1960's.
I completely agree! What's shameful is we apparently learned nothing from the experience.
As others have said, our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines were treated horrible when they returned here. That was a horrible period of our history. Through the aviation community, I know a good amount of men who served in different capacities in Vietnam. Some flew missions, and were shot at, and some were wounded in ground warfare. None of them deserved the treatment they received. They were just pawns in a political, and economic upheaval.
I agree with you and see the point you are making.
Maybe I am just the minority here. I don't think they are pawns, I view them as heroes. I dont expect anybody to agree with me, however.
A lot of South Vietnamese thank the American troops till this day for liberating them. This is just a fact. (not saying the war is justified or worth it, but American troops have done some wonderful things for these people.)
The person that led us there was President Truman. Can't argue that. It's history.
Of course I get that you were only using these hysterics in vain attempt to discredit the party you were responding too. I assume that you don't really mean it either because you didn't really know the history, or you thought the rest of us didn't.
Of course I get that you were only using these hysterics in vain attempt to discredit the party you were responding too. I assume that you don't really mean it either because you didn't really know the history, or you thought the rest of us didn't.
Well if anyone would understand that type of argument it would be some one who does it all the time.
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