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Having to go back to 1972 -- dear oh dear....and we wonder why young 'uns laugh at us.
Time to move on I'd say........lol
But note that only some people's actions from many years ago are fair game.
Fonda, Clinton... permissible targets.
The current president and others, not so much.
But note that only some people's actions from many years ago are fair game.
Fonda, Clinton... permissible targets.
The current president and others, not so much.
well, she has no one else to blame but herself. I don't think other women have been blamed for this.
Maybe one day we will have thread on Robert McNamara or Kissinger rather than these silly threads on Jane Fonda as if she was the reason that over 50,000 soldiers died in a useless cause.
Maybe one day we will have thread on Robert McNamara or Kissinger rather than these silly threads on Jane Fonda as if she was the reason that over 50,000 soldiers died in a useless cause.
well, didn't you just start another Vietnam thread? There are TONS of Vietnam threads on the internet. If you don't like it, don't post on it. Problem solved. Who are you to tell people which thread is silly, which one is not?
Obviously, you have no problems posting over and over in this "silly" thread.
Thread like this is definitely necessary because the idiots who blame the soldiers are still alive and active. Kissinger is evil, but this thread is about Hanoi Jane.
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I agree with you and see the point you are making.
Maybe I am just the minority here. I don't think they are pawns, I view them as heroes. I dont expect anybody to agree with me, however.
A lot of South Vietnamese thank the American troops till this day for liberating them. This is just a fact. (not saying the war is justified or worth it, but American troops have done some wonderful things for these people.)
Indeed. From a news clipping sent to me by a friend:
On Saturday, July 24th, 2010 the town of Prescott Valley, AZ, hosted a Freedom Rally. Quang Nguyen was asked to speak on his experience of coming to America and what it means. He spoke the following in dedication to all Vietnam Veterans. Thought you might enjoy hearing what he had to say:
“35 years ago, if you were to tell me that I am going to stand up here speaking to a couple thousand patriots, in English, I'd laugh at you. Man, every morning I wake up thanking God for putting me and my family in the greatest country on earth.
I just want you all to know that the American dream does exist and I am living the American dream. I was asked to speak to you about my experience as a first generation Vietnamese-American, but I'd rather speak to you as an American.
If you hadn't noticed, I am not white and I feel pretty comfortable with my people.
I am a proud U.S. citizen and here is my proof. It took me 8 years to get it, waiting in endless lines, but I got it, and I am very proud of it.
I still remember the images of the Tet Offensive in 1968, I was six years old. Now you might want to question how a 6-year-old boy could remember anything. Trust me, those images can never be erased. I can't even imagine what it was like for young American soldiers, 10,000 miles away from home, fighting on my behalf.
35 years ago, I left South Vietnam for political asylum. The war had ended. At the age of 13, I left with the understanding that I may or may not ever get to see my siblings or parents again. I was one of the first lucky 100,000 Vietnamese allowed to come to the U.S. Somehow, my family and I were reunited 5 months later, amazingly, in California. It was a miracle from God.
If you haven't heard lately that this is the greatest country on earth, I am telling you that right now. It was the freedom and the opportunities presented to me that put me here with all of you tonight. I also remember the barriers that I had to overcome every step of the way. My high school counselor told me that I cannot make it to college due to my poor communication skills. I proved him wrong. I finished college. You see, all you have to do is to give this little boy an opportunity and encourage him to take and run with it. Well, I took the opportunity and here I am.
This person standing tonight in front of you could not exist under a socialist/communist environment. By the way, if you think socialism is the way to go, I am sure many people here will chip in to get you a one-way ticket out of here. And if you didn't know, the only difference between socialism and communism is an AK-47 aimed at your head. That was my experience.
In 1982, I stood with a thousand new immigrants, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and listening to the National Anthem for the first time as an American. To this day, I can't remember anything sweeter and more patriotic than that moment in my life.
Fast forwarding, somehow I finished high school, finished college, and like any other goofball 21 year old kid, I was having a great time with my life. I had a nice job and a nice apartment in Southern California. In some way and somehow, I had forgotten how I got here and why I was here.
One day I was at a gas station, I saw a veteran pumping gas on the other side of the island. I don't know what made me do it, but I walked over and asked if he had served in Vietnam . He smiled and said yes. I shook and held his hand. The grown man began to well up. I walked away as fast as I could and at that very moment, I was emotionally rocked. This was a profound moment in my life. I knew something had to change in my life. It was time for me to learn how to be a good citizen. It was time for me to give back.
You see, America is not just a place on the map, it isn't just a physical location. It is an ideal, a concept. And if you are an American, you must understand the concept, you must accept this concept, and most importantly, you have to fight and defend this concept. This is about Freedom and not free stuff. And that is why I am standing up here.
Brothers and sisters, to be a real American, the very least you must do is to learn English and understand it well. In my humble opinion, you cannot be a faithful patriotic citizen if you can't speak the language of the country you live in. Take this document of 46 pages - last I looked on the Internet, there wasn't a Vietnamese translation of the U.S. Constitution. It took me a long time to get to the point of being able to converse and until this day, I still struggle to come up with the right words. It's not easy, but if it's too easy, it's not worth doing.
Before I knew this 46-page document, I learned of the 500,000 Americans who fought for this little boy. I learned of the 58,000 names scribed on the black wall at the Vietnam Memorial. You are my heroes. You are my founders.
At this time, I would like to ask all the Vietnam veterans to please stand. I thank you for my life. I thank you for your sacrifices, and I thank you for giving me the freedom and liberty I have today. I now ask all veterans, firefighters, and police officers, to please stand. On behalf of all first generation immigrants, I thank you for your services and may God bless you all.
Quang Nguyen
Creative Director/Founder
Caddis Advertising, LLC
"God Bless America "
Jane Fonda was once again in the news due to her Emmy appearance over the weekend.
And once again her past actions will continue to haunt her as long as she lives, and deservedly so.
There are some myths attributed to Jane that some people still state as truths, such as Fonda betraying POW's by handing their secret notes intended for her, to their captors (never happened according to the POW's themselves).
However, what she did do was bad enough.
Yes, she DID sit on an anti aircraft gun (which she tried to minimize and excuse later on in her autobiography decades later).
Yes, she DID make radio announcements asking U.S. pilots to stop bombing campaigns (similar to people like Tokyo Rose).
And yes, she DID make statements mimimizing the experiences of POW's.
Extremely doubtful. Many were too young to remember or just didn't care at the time. And who cares about it now. Stop living in the past. Time to move on.
Extremely doubtful. Many were too young to remember or just didn't care at the time. And who cares about it now. Stop living in the past. Time to move on.
Tell that to BLM. Their stock in trade seems to be wallowing in victimhood from the Jim Crow days.
Extremely doubtful. Many were too young to remember or just didn't care at the time. And who cares about it now. Stop living in the past. Time to move on.
I was born in 1985. Everybody I know my age or younger than me knows who she is and what she did.
People care because the anti soldiers are still alive and active. They protest in front of the VA hospitals. Let's face it, there are differences between genuine anti-war heroes who truely care and a**h***s.
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