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But you don't know that, do you? No one does. You cannot keep coming out with this argument that we are helpless to do anything because they will just find another way of killing more people. That's not necessarily true, and it is usually false.
The Las Vegas shooter would have likely been able to pull off his massacre even with increased background checks and restrictions on assault rifles.
However, that is not necessarily true either. There was a gun store owner in Nevada who refused to sell him a rifle. With increased scrutiny there is an increased chance he might have called someone in law enforcement who could have questioned him and prevented the massacre from ever happening.
You see, we don't know what will happen until we start doing something. We are doing nothing. That is the problem.
So you would do something, ban ARs, even though there is little chance it would have made a difference.
Far more people are killed with handguns than rifles every year.
Instead of banning guns, push the police/FBI to do their jobs. Increase security at schools. Both much easier to do and more likely to help.
If you don't like guns, don't get one. But you don't have the right to determine that they should be banned.
Actually, I DO have the right to determine that guns should be banned… It's up to the government however to act in the best interest of it's people, which it's not currently doing. I have the right to express my belief that only a total ban will create significant change in gun violence, and that any other half measure, or no measure as it currently stands, will not do a thing to lower gun violence in the short or long term.
YOUR guns may not hurt anyone (may), but the laws that allow you to possess your guns means that there are limitless guns in the U.S. many of which will hurt and kill many people, so your privilege or right to have your “safe” guns means that many will die from others. Seems like a trade off you and many others are willing to make.
At this point is not about “if” we will have another school shooting, it’s about “when” and how many kids will die in the next one, and the ones after that. If there isn’t a national ban for all firearms, there is absolutely no hope that these mass shootings will stop. Things like arming teachers etc. are short term and short sighted bandages (and not good bandages) for this problem.
My proposal is the only one that will make any kind of long term difference, whether you like it or not.
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No, I don't, and I never said that… read my post again.
What I DID say is that there will never be "long term significant change" in gun violence without an all out national ban of all firearms.
Interesting. To me, "stopping" means zero shootings. Just because you retyped some words with quotes around them, doesn't mean they negate what you actually wrote and what I actually quoted and was responding to.
yes bumpstocks (which are dangerous and uncontrollable) should be banned... i don't have a problem with that, neither does anyother conservative out there
So conservatives can say "no" to something that is gun related. I'm impressed - - I guess there's a first for everything.
Interesting. To me, "stopping" means zero shootings. Just because you retyped some words with quotes around them, doesn't mean they negate what you actually wrote and what I actually quoted and was responding to.
You took my sentence about the hopes of mass shootings stopping and re-framed it as "reduce violent crime to zero", which I never said, which is why I told you to re-read my post. You didn't "quote" me at all, you took what I wrote an interpreted it into something I didn't say.
Weapons
Glock 19 pistol
Walther P22 pistol[4]
Deaths 33 (including the perpetrator)[5]:127
Non-fatal injuries
23 (17 by gunfire)[6]:92[7]
Perpetrator Seung-Hui Cho
Hmmm not a white guy
Not an AR-15
Banning the 15 will do what again?
Did you all forget?
If it's not a white guy and not an AR-15 it doesn't count.
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