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Old 12-21-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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People just love to go around telling others to remember the reason for the season, .....
IIRC, the reason for the celebration at this time of year was the romans merging christianity into the pagen winter soltice celebrations as they advanced into northern europe.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Actually, for many people, it's not a magical time. For instance, the suicide rate goes up.
Although, YES, for many people the holidays are NOT "magical" and are a source of stress, it is a myth that the suicide rate goes up around Christmas. Scroll down to #3.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...christmas-time
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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What about TV, movies, commercials, stores, etc?

First, a teacher was crossing the line. Now, even a priest needs to lie, in order to avoid crossing this line (strange that we'd expect a priest to keep up a facade that goes against what he preaches).
So what's next? TV and movies cross the line? Stores that decorate and advertise for parents to buy gifts for their children for christmas?


I just want to understand all of this. Do everyone need to keep from crossing some imaginary line (boundary if you will), just to avoid pissing off a very small group of people because their children still believe in santa (although most in that age bracket no longer believe).



And, you said it wasn't about santa per-se, but about boundaries....so we don't cross these boundaries either for the tooth fairy, easter bunny...or even mickey mouse (as someone mentioned). So, I gotta ask, do teachers, priest, tv, movies, commercials, books, stores ect....that let's any of those cats out the bag....are they all going to far and crossing the lines?

Where does it end?
well, there is nothing else I can say to you.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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What the heck does Santa have to do with “left wing†politics or “feminism?â€
It doesn't. Only when snowflake right wingers get their feelings hurt do they blame everything on the liberals.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It doesn't. Only when snowflake right wingers get their feelings hurt do they blame everything on the liberals.
I don't know why this teacher did it or if they are a lib, con, animal, mineral, or vegetable.

It's one person making a crappy decision to tell kids there's no Santa.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Although, YES, for many people the holidays are NOT "magical" and are a source of stress, it is a myth that the suicide rate goes up around Christmas. Scroll down to #3.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...christmas-time
Thanks for the info.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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well, there is nothing else I can say to you.
Because you can’t answer a question? I wanted to know where does the line get drawn. I mean, we know a teacher can’t cross that line. Now I’m reading that priest can’t cross that line either. What about tv, movies, books, stores, commercials, etc?
Does the goal post just keep getting moved to include anyone or anything that might let the cat out the bag? It’s an easy enough question.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Because you can’t answer a question? I wanted to know where does the line get drawn. I mean, we know a teacher can’t cross that line. Now I’m reading that priest can’t cross that line either. What about tv, movies, books, stores, commercials, etc?
Does the goal post just keep getting moved to include anyone or anything that might let the cat out the bag? It’s an easy enough question.
I know your question was not addressed to me, but I think the difference is that a child believes something that someone in authority (in, at least, the child's mind) says to him or her directly, as opposed to hearing or seeing something in passing.

I mean, I would GUESS that the average child is confronted with proof that Santa is not real probably at least 20 times in an average Christmas season, but it is far different, i think, for a child seeing TV parents hiding presents on a TV sit-com than it is to have his or her older sibling "break the news". (TV is pretend, but one's siblings aren't.) Again, that is just my guess!

But to more directly answer the question, I do not think it is out of line for anyone who has direct interaction with a child -- be it a teacher, neighbor, babysitter or whoever -- to just keep silent on the subject (pro OR con) and, if pressed by the child, to just say, "You should ask your mom or dad about that."

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Old 12-21-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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I know your question was not addressed to me, but I think the difference is that a child believes something that someone in authority (in, at least, the child's mind) says to him or her directly, as opposed to hearing or seeing something in passing.

I mean, I would GUESS that the average child is confronted with proof that Santa is not real probably at least 20 times in an average Christmas season, but it far different, i think, for a child seeing TV parents hiding presents on a TV sit-com than it is to have his or her older sibling "break the news". (TV is pretend, but one's siblings aren't.) Again, that is just my guess!

But to more directly answer the question, I do not think it is out of line for anyone who has direct interaction with a child -- be it a teacher, neighbor, babysitter or whoever -- to just keep silent on the subject (pro OR con) and, if pressed by the child, to just say, "You should ask your mom or dad about that."
So, just those in a position of authority?
I guess that's a fair enough answer. Although, I gotta say, I still think it odd that a lie needs to be maintained even at a age that children typically don't believe....I mean, even expecting a priest to not mention it? I find that expectation a bit odd. Honestly, if you want to keep fairy tales alive in a kid's mind, then I really wouldn't take them to church. Seriously, a religious leader shouldn't be expected to keep the truth hostage, especially for a season that is not only very important, but under attack by commercialism.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Irony: the statist telling the anarchist he has a "need for dominance".

The teacher should have just kept his/her mouth shut on Santa. Stick to the curriculum. It's government approved therefore it's infallible. I learned that in public schools too.

Who trusts the government to tell anyone the truth any more? Either the teacher has the freedom to teach, or they might as well automate the whole thing.
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