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For your information Socialists were in Hitler's concentration camps too. The recent tax cut shows a cozy relationship between the corporations and guys like the picture in post 20. That's called National Socialism.
Maybe Marx was wrong about an inevitable march toward Communism. Maybe it's Fascism that we are evolving toward.
You're aware that Hitler (Mussolini, too) was a proponent of socialism's goals, no?
"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923
"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925
"The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933
Both of the latter two are describing socialism, which is left-wing. Both are advocating subjucating the individual to benefit the collective society. That is NOT right-wing ideology.
The word "fascism" includes fascis as its root. The meaning is "bundle" and it is used to represent collective power. Collectivism. Fascism is left-wing at its very roots.
(Note that classical liberalism is very close to what is currently known as libertarianism, not the authoritarian left-wing we currently have in the US.)
If you dispute the facts, you're free to submit a rebuttal to the peer-reviewed journal. If they find your rebuttal to be correct, they'll publish it. That's what peer-reviewed journals do.
Trying to explain it to you is rather pointless; you seem to be unable to understand how much the government gives away to the poor for free.
Free?
Hardly!
You and I pay for those give-aways.
What you steadfastly refuse to grasp is that it's corporate welfare.
Those welfare programs allow corporations to pay their employees chicken feed and give them lousy benefits, which means their inflated proceeds go to the fatcats at the top of the pyramid.
If you dispute the facts, you're free to submit a rebuttal to the peer-reviewed journal. If they find your rebuttal to be correct, they'll publish it. That's what peer-reviewed journals do.
If you disagree with what I said, then explain why.
I ask, because in the past even you have said their system is 'regressive' because of the VAT, where the low income people end up paying a larger portion of their income in taxes.
If you have now changed that argument to say European income tax rates are also regressive, then you will need to come up with something to back it up.
The cost doesn't matter to Leftists. They mistakenly think someone else would foot the bill. That's their real motivation.
I don't get that. One would have to be an idiot to believe so.
I wish people would read the research info I posted. European countries are well-aware of the fact that a regressive tax system is required to fund an extensive social programs system with. The US simply can't do it with our progressive system because our Federal tax base is WAY too narrow and relies WAY too much on just a very small group of higher income earners for tax revenue.
Europe is largely composed of democracies with social welfare states. The USA is a democracy with a social welfare state as well.
There are some variances in the social welfare states of the US and Europe (healthcare would be a good example).
And there are some variances in the social welfare states between European countries. Denmark's is more generous than Italy, Germany's system clearly works better than Greece, etc.
Conclusion: America already is like Europe and vice-versa. Both places have public housing projects, unemployment benefits, veterans benefits, agro subsidies, public universities, art subsidies, welfare, and all the other facets of a social welfare state.
The one difference is healthcare and America still has VA healthcare, Medicaid, Obamacare, SSI, and other benefits a European would find familiar.
Europe is marginally more statist than America- by choice. Marginally. This is largely cultural.
This is without a doubt the most inane debate that simply will not go away. How about asking why Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and Zimbabwe are not more like Europe? How about it?
Europe, America. Blah, blah, blah. Beatles vs Stones, Vette vs Stang.
Time for CEOs, hedge fund managers and board members to compete with counterparts from India, Mexico, China, etc for their fatcat positions.
Yep. Socialism is the rights buzzword for years. Same way the left is constantly using facism and Nazism.
But the right was also using Nazism stuff as well when Obama was in office.
It plays to the stupid and the base supporters....mainly just the latter to try to rile up the base.
It is indeed free for them. In Europe, they'd have to pay a 20% to 25% VAT tax on everything to at least partially support the benefits they're getting. No reason why we can't do that here in the US.
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You and I pay for those give-aways.
What you steadfastly refuse to grasp is that it's corporate welfare.
What corporate welfare? What checks is the government cutting to corporations? What benefits transfers are they giving to corporations?
Employees are paid what they're worth. The problem in the US is the glut of low-education, low-skilled workers. A HUGE part of that problem is our grossly deficient public education system, despite the fact that we spend among the most in the world on it.
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:
The U.S. has a better standard of living, and quality of life than much of Europe. We also have more buying power, and our cost of living in much of the U.S. is lower. My friends from Germany would marvel out the house I had for the money, lower gasoline, and energy prices, lower food prices, and better value in general in the U.S. Yes they get the month of August off, and other holidays off, but they ultimately pay for it.
True if you are upper 30% or so.
Middling on the next 30% or so. US people lose on non monetary like health insurance and vacation and gain in material.
Not remotely true for the bottom 40%
Also highly depends where you live.
80K for a family of 4 in Indianapolis is an owned 2000 SF 4 BR house in a nice burb.
80K for a family of 4 in NJ is a 2-3 BR rented condo in a nice burb.
80K for a family of 4 in San Francisco might be an RV
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