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I saw on the link that the UK processes for discharge of the mentally ill/homeless are to leave them on a street at night almost naked and without shoes when temps are below freezing. NOT!
I've tried to have a mature and respectful conversation with you. If you are unable to do the same we can terminate the discussion now. Perhaps one of the board's Brits can answer my question?
My point is that any of the UK's processes for mental health care have to be better than dumping a half naked woman out on the street in the middle of a below freezing night. Wouldn't you agree?
People need to pay for their own stuff and not rely on others.
If they don’t have the money, not my problem nor society’s problem.
I'll remember that and maybe some day I might walk by you on the street where you've ended up for whatever reason and give you a kick upside the head because you're such a loser.
This is a problem in our society. We're all in it together and it's really really sad we don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore.
My point is that any of the UK's processes for mental health care have to be better than dumping a half naked woman out on the street in the middle of a below freezing night. Wouldn't you agree?
No, I don't agree with your vague "anything is better" reply. Since you have addressed the UK system as a desirable choice for 320 million Americans, it's reasonable to ask how the UK specifically deals with hospital discharges of the homeless/mentally ill. What do they do differently? The information you provided states that it can take up to 18 weeks to see a mental health specialist. 75% of patients will get in by the six week mark, but how does that impact someone who is ready to be discharged on any given day?
If you don't know the answer then just admit it and let someone who does chime in ... without the snark.
I've tried to have a mature and respectful conversation with you. If you are unable to do the same we can terminate the discussion now. Perhaps one of the board's Brits can answer my question?
One in four people suffer from mental health problems in their life time, so mental health covers a broad spectrum.
In terms of how a person is discharged in the UK it depends on firstly whether they presented themselves voluntarily and are not deemed a danger to themselves or others or secondly whether they were sectioned under the mental health act in which case they will only be released following observation and a psychiatrists report.
As for those who are discharged they are usually referred to local mental health teams made up of approved social workers, community psychiatric nurses and doctors.
In terms of accomodation there are mental health hostels, which are sometimes part of a discharge plan, whilst there is also social care and accomodation available through voluntary organisations who work closely with mental health trusts.
No, I don't agree with your vague "anything is better" reply. Since you have addressed the UK system as a desirable choice for 320 million Americans, it's reasonable to ask how the UK specifically deals with hospital discharges of the homeless/mentally ill. What do they do differently? The information you provided states that it can take up to 18 weeks to see a mental health specialist. 75% of patients will get in by the six week mark, but how does that impact someone who is ready to be discharged on any given day?
If you don't know the answer then just admit it and let someone who does chime in ... without the snark.
This is just a snippet of the services offered to the mentally ill by the NHS in the UK.
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We can provide:
Personalised one to one support planning including complex case work with flexible packages ranging from short term to longerterm care.
Integration with multiple agencies including Community Mental Health teams, Probation and Social Care.
Support to access and maintain appropriate accommodation in both the social and private rented sector.
Daily living skills including paying bills, budgeting, shopping and healthy eating.
Education, training and employment opportunities.
Recovery Sessions; including our recovery and education focused group activities, drop-ins and peer support.
Physical health checks, GP liaison and support with medication.
Community engagement to reduce isolation and increase social interaction.
Thanks for the links. They don't answer my specific question of how the UK processes discharges for the mentally ill/homeless, but I do see that it can take up to 18 weeks to be seen by a mental health intake specialist there. 4-1/2 months is an awful long time for someone in immediate need of mental health services. They can't keep you admitted in a hospital until your appointment, so what do they do?
I can only tell you what happened with my sister. Her son rang to tell me his mother was very distressed, and disoriented. We drove over to the house, and I saw the situation first hand. I rang her doctor, who came to the house. He decided she needed taking to a mental health facility. He called the hospital, and an ambulance, and another doctor came with it to the house. Two doctors are needed to make a decision on admittance to the mental health wing of a hospital.
He agreed with the first doctor, and my sister was taken in the ambulance to hospital. She was committed for the maximum allowed 30 days, while she was assessed. You can't just lock people away. There are safeguards to ensure this is really necessary, and for the shortest period possible, before returning the patient home. My sister was stabilised, put back on the medication she had stopped taking, and when recovered, she went home.
There was aftercare with social workers visiting to see if she needed any help, and to listen to any concerns she had. Great efforts are made to keep folks who have mental breakdowns in the community. Many years ago, they were locked away, never to be seen again. Great progress has been made in recent decades in looking after the mentally ill here in England.
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