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Anyone from Germany or Norway to confirm how much in income tax people there pay? The cult45ers say 75 to 80%, but I question that. I'd rather take the Word of a citizen of those countries who actually earns their money as opposed to the Trust Fund Trumpers who were gifted everything! I know they ALL claim to be 6 to 7 figure earners but based on their posts, they lack the intelligence and interpersonal skills to succeed on their own! So I'd take the Word of a German and Norwegian over theirs.
Please to be engaging brain before posting - free at point of service means that you do not owe a payment when they treat you.
It's not free, Period. THAT is what's important. AND you shouldn't base policy on ONE story you read on the internet. Is that the proper way to engage ones brain?
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Originally Posted by Emeraldmaiden
It's already paid for in the taxes. So, not free, but you don't have a copay or get a bill when you get treated. You pay in every paycheck. Get it?
The fixed co-payment in this case is zero. AKA free at POS.
Again you do have to pay for some things when you get treated and you do have copays AND it's not about 1 data point. Silly to make a point based on 1 incident because someone said vs how it actually works.
Public providers cannot charge patients more than these amounts, other than for bandages and other supplies.
GP and specialist visits, including outpatient hospital care and same-day surgery, require copayments (NOK152 [USD15.5] and NOK345 [USD35] per visit in 2015, respectively), as do physiotherapy visits (in varying amounts), covered prescription drugs (up to NOK520 [USD53] per prescription), and radiology and laboratory tests (NOK245 [USD25] and NOK50 [USD5], respectively).
The bolded lowers quality. That's what setting prices does. Not that you're saying one way or the other, just pointing out a system that isn't as efficient as it could be because it violates a basic economic premise.
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Anyone from Germany or Norway to confirm how much in income tax people there pay? The cult45ers say 75 to 80%, but I question that. I'd rather take the Word of a citizen of those countries who actually earns their money as opposed to the Trust Fund Trumpers who were gifted everything! I know they ALL claim to be 6 to 7 figure earners but based on their posts, they lack the intelligence and interpersonal skills to succeed on their own! So I'd take the Word of a German and Norwegian over theirs.
hahaha Trust Fund Trumpers. Why don't you get an adult to google that question for you since you're helpless and "lack the intelligence and interpersonal skills". Oh I see you're in Canada. That explains the helplessness.
See what I did there?
Hear a few stories from people you don't know vs getting easily attainable facts on a country as a whole through simple research.
But but .......socialism is evil, bootstraps, Personal Responsibility..... Ummm I'm not paying for your poor lifestyle choices....hmmmm you may have not seen a bill, but I bet you can't own tons of guns and walk around with them!! Ummmmm 80% income tax rate..... We beat Hillary,, MAGA MAGA MAGA!!!!! How do you expect us to MAGA if healthcare is free or affordable? I mean only us MAGAers should have health-care so we can Lord it over those non privileged people. Why should those lesser people have what WE have?? Those poor people should go without since they don't deserve it! Now THAT is how you MAGA!!!
The votes are in, and this is the dumbest post of the day.
It's not free, Period. THAT is what's important. AND you shouldn't base policy on ONE story you read on the internet. Is that the proper way to engage ones brain?
Again you do have to pay for some things when you get treated and you do have copays AND it's not about 1 data point. Silly to make a point based on 1 incident because someone said vs how it actually works.
Public providers cannot charge patients more than these amounts, other than for bandages and other supplies.
GP and specialist visits, including outpatient hospital care and same-day surgery, require copayments (NOK152 [USD15.5] and NOK345 [USD35] per visit in 2015, respectively), as do physiotherapy visits (in varying amounts), covered prescription drugs (up to NOK520 [USD53] per prescription), and radiology and laboratory tests (NOK245 [USD25] and NOK50 [USD5], respectively).
The bolded lowers quality. That's what setting prices does. Not that you're saying one way or the other, just pointing out a system that isn't as efficient as it could be because it violates a basic economic premise.
I would say what's important is everyone being able to access healthcare when needed and not being forced into bankruptcy when they do so. Americans are being ripped off. For instance, epclusa which in most cases cures hepatitis c will run over $74,000 for a treatment in the U.S. versus $840 for the same drug in India. India of all places. Controlling out of pocket prices doesn't mean lower quality. Norwegians are getting the same drugs and treatments we get, they just aren't paying through the nose out of pocket.
I wonder if they would have any LEGAL RECOURSE if someone refused to pay a bill that high??
Yes its just sad how much they think they can charge!! -- Alot of people DO NOT have that kind of money!!
I am sure they would lien my house like a mouse. I paid cash for my house. I don't mean to sound mean, but lets be real here. Say someone walks in with a broken hand or leg, and they charge $6k to wrap it up. Now does it really cost $6k to fix someone up with a broken hand or leg. I have never needed a DOC or seen a DOC in over 30 years other than one time back in 2012 for back pain. They ran some x rays and gave me some pills and did all kinds of test and blood test. I have never had HC ins, so guess what i paid the $1k and that was that.
I don't mind paying what i think is a fair price. But i am not gonna pay some crazy price if i walked into a ER.
I had some kind of insane pain way down in my tummy area back in 2010 like down to my leg and i stuck it out for 8 hours and rolled on the floor. There was no way i was going to a ER and ruin my perfect 800+ credit score. Never knew what that pain was and it never came back. Health care should be free for all as long as someone is working.
What ER's charge and pitals charge is just insane. No way i would pay the bill, and i would burn my house down and turn the land it sits on into a supper fund site with so much toxic stuff they would never get a dime out of me for some crazy trumped up charges.
I would say what's important is everyone being able to access healthcare when needed and not being forced into bankruptcy when they do so.
Agreed. A quality product for a fair price.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
Americans are being ripped off. For instance, epclusa which in most cases cures hepatitis c will run over $74,000 for a treatment in the U.S. versus $840 for the same drug in India. India of all places. Controlling out of pocket prices doesn't mean lower quality. Norwegians are getting the same drugs and treatments we get, they just aren't paying through the nose out of pocket.
You talk about control but you don't see it in America? Or it's okay as long as the price is lowered. no mention of quality though which is ever bit as important. If I pay $10 for a coffeee maker and see another different coffee maker selling for $50 it's a safe bet the $50 coffee maker is better. Price matters in the free market as that matters in the purchase. Government being in bed with Big Pharm controlling prices is a huge problem.
Controlling prices or anything leads to trouble since the devil is in the details. You cannot ignore a basic economic premise that when you take price out of the equation quality suffers. Price and quality of the product or service are the two main ingredients of any purchase.
And one cannot ignore the moral dilemma of having person A pay for person B through the threat of force and coercion. The Mafia does business that way.
There is a problem that needs to be solved. The disagreement is in how we do it. The free market gets us multiple suppliers of a product, medicine in this instance. The more competition the lower the price and the better the quality. Don't settle especially when it comes to your health.
Anyone from Germany or Norway to confirm how much in income tax people there pay? The cult45ers say 75 to 80%, but I question that. I'd rather take the Word of a citizen of those countries who actually earns their money as opposed to the Trust Fund Trumpers who were gifted everything! I know they ALL claim to be 6 to 7 figure earners but based on their posts, they lack the intelligence and interpersonal skills to succeed on their own! So I'd take the Word of a German and Norwegian over theirs.
Leave: I live in Norway.
Avegrage salary here is around $50.000 depending on exchange rates.
When I made $120.000 a year, I was taxed 36%
My wife makes 140.000 a year, she is taxed 36%
I am now making $50.000 and taxed at 32%
We have copays for a doctor visit. $20 pr visit, but if it exceeds $260 a year, all other costs are free.
So, I have to pay for 13 doctor visits myself. But if admitted to hospital or surgery etc, its no cost.
Apples to Oranges. The snowball system of healthcare has ballooned due to many factors that are so ingrained in the system, that nothing is going to change due to the almighty dollar.
So, if Norway is so awesome, go live there and see for yourself. If Romania is so much better due to cost of living is 4 times less than USA, then go there and see how long you can live there on there employment contracts etc. etc etc.
Every country has their pros and cons, and i can tell you, the USA is by far the best country I have ever lived in.. Bar none.
Dont compare living as a guest in said countries as living there. Living is working and experiencing actual locals lifestyles and work...
If healthcare is blessed important to you, then budget your life to accommodate the best you can afford. Get rid of cable, internet, phones, 1 car per person in the family, eating out 2 times a day... Adjust and Budget, because politicians arent going to change crap for you, unless you are a lobbyist.
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