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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:50 PM
 
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Umm...this sort of thing IS what the nazis did.

Maybe you should research how the nazis operated. Separating families WAS a thing. And certainly the demonization of outside groups.

Maybe you should read more history.
Yep, separating families who illegally enter a country is the equivalent of forcibly removing families from their homes, dividing them and then sending them to concentration camps and extermination camps to die.

Look, I'm for keeping families intact. Heck, I supported sending Elian Gonzalez back to be with his dad, but I'm also intolerant of really bad similes and metaphors, and boy is the Nazi comparison a bad one.

Tell me, out of curiosity, which other countries that maintain borders do you label "demonizing xenophobes?" Do you, for instance, attach this label to Mexicans ands their government? How about Canadians, who have traditionally been quite selective in whom they allow into their country? This is the thing I could never really get into on the left: the Noam Chomsky kind of, "Yeah, there are some really bad actors out there, but no one worse than the good ole US of A." It's this terrible, xenophobic, racist place that we should let more people into every chance we get!

 
Old 05-09-2018, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This is effectively being done to punish people without the rule of law. IE pre-emptively.

We have people who have had their children taken from them while they are seeking asylum who WILL end up being US citizens....but who we punished without proper judicial review.

We have throughout decades said that family unity was important. To toss it away is a decision based on hatred and fear, not logic. Deport those we need to deport, but separating families is cruel and stupid.
"CRUEL AND STUPID" MY A$$.
If these people don't want to play by our rules, then get the hell out.
Go back where you came from.
No one asked them to come here.

Bob.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Kaphawoman View Post
Every country has immigration laws and processes people who enter its borders, adult and child alike. I guess the entire planet is engulfed in Nazism. Who knew.
Now, you know your statement is false.

If Mexico processed these caravan people as you claim, they would still be on the Mexico border with Central America.

These people came through the entire country of Mexico without any government intervention.

Bob.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 10:06 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Originally Posted by normstad View Post
Fair point.

So, back to my questions. Where is the humanity in separating children from their parent? Other countries don't do that, why must the USA be less humanitarian than those other countries?
Other countries dont seem to have the extreme numbers of illegals violating their laws either, even though the USA by far allows the most legal immigration of any country.

It sucks to have parents who are criminals. The children didn't get to pick their criminal parents.. They are the victims of their parents crimes.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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Fair point.

So, back to my questions. Where is the humanity in separating children from their parent? Other countries don't do that, why must the USA be less humanitarian than those other countries?
Why are the parents not humane then? Why would parents purposely put their children in a situation to be separated from the parents? Do we really want these inhumane people in the country, ever?
 
Old 05-09-2018, 11:01 PM
 
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Funny, I see Americans often commenting on politics in Germany, England, France, Russia or Cuba. Exceptionalism at play?
:shrug: I don't do that.

Also, I can't control what others post.

Back to the subject at hand --- When do you plan to go to the US/Mexican border and invite illegals with families to go to Canada with you and allow them to live in your house?
 
Old 05-09-2018, 11:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by chiociolliscalves View Post
Yep, separating families who illegally enter a country is the equivalent of forcibly removing families from their homes, dividing them and then sending them to concentration camps and extermination camps to die.

Look, I'm for keeping families intact. Heck, I supported sending Elian Gonzalez back to be with his dad, but I'm also intolerant of really bad similes and metaphors, and boy is the Nazi comparison a bad one.

Tell me, out of curiosity, which other countries that maintain borders do you label "demonizing xenophobes?" Do you, for instance, attach this label to Mexicans ands their government? How about Canadians, who have traditionally been quite selective in whom they allow into their country? This is the thing I could never really get into on the left: the Noam Chomsky kind of, "Yeah, there are some really bad actors out there, but no one worse than the good ole US of A." It's this terrible, xenophobic, racist place that we should let more people into every chance we get!

Canada does not separate children from parents, even those that come illegally across from our southern border.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 11:09 PM
 
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Why are the parents not humane then? Why would parents purposely put their children in a situation to be separated from the parents? Do we really want these inhumane people in the country, ever?
Just wondering, shouldn't the USA government have better morals and judgement than separating children from their parents? Seems like the humanitarian thing to do.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 01:49 AM
 
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Just wondering, shouldn't the USA government have better morals and judgement than separating children from their parents? Seems like the humanitarian thing to do.
I suggest that you reread post #255.

Everyday Americans commit crimes and get sent to jail. They can't bring their children to jail with them. When illegal aliens are caught and deported, no one is stopping them from bringing their kids with them. In fact, that's what any decent parent would do. Any parent who would put their child in harm's way is not a decent parent.

You have no problems with prisoners being separated from their families but cry when it happens to illegal aliens. Double standards much? Hypocritical much?

When are you planning to go to the US/Mexico border and find some illegal aliens with families then take them to Canada with you? You claim to be a humanitarian. You talk the talk but won't walk the walk.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 03:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You didn't answer how Canada, Germany and Jordan can keep families together, but the USA won't. Why do they have compassion and the USA doesn't?
We should send them to Canada, then. One way escorted bus caravan. They can continue their asylum journey through the US and end up in Canada. Canada will keep their families intact. Problem solved.
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