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Old 05-09-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I am a humanitarian, and that has no borders. I care what happens to humans, no matter where they live. I find it incongruous that the country (the USA), which wants to present itself as a champion of human rights and freedom, continues to have laws an policies which cause it to have the highest prison population in the world (more than China which has 3 times the population), and the highest by far per capita prison population.

Do you really think the USA is that much more prone to criminality, or do you think maybe the laws are wrong? Think about this... dictatorships world wide have less people in prison. Never mind other first world countries.

What's wrong with US laws? Or is it less humanitarian?
What's wrong with being humanitarian to our citizens? We cannot do both. We have people living on the streets, children starving, poor infrastructure, mediocre public schools.

If you feel so strongly about it, you should be working with your politicians to take in all the illegals.

I always find it really odd when people claim to be humanitarian but don't give a ****e about Americans in need, only illegals.

 
Old 05-09-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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What's wrong with being humanitarian to our citizens? We cannot do both. We have people living on the streets, children starving, poor infrastructure, mediocre public schools.

If you feel so strongly about it, you should be working with your politicians to take in all the illegals.

I always find it really odd when people claim to be humanitarian but don't give a ****e about Americans in need, only illegals.
You know what's interesting, there's people in DTLA asking to donate for refugees on the other side of the world as i step around a bunch of homeless people. What's up with that.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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What's wrong with being humanitarian to our citizens? We cannot do both. We have people living on the streets, children starving, poor infrastructure, mediocre public schools.

If you feel so strongly about it, you should be working with your politicians to take in all the illegals.

I always find it really odd when people claim to be humanitarian but don't give a ****e about Americans in need, only illegals.
Well said

He whines and says that America isn't "humanitarian", yet never did I see him say that he is going to volunteer to move several illegal alien families into his own home. Typical bleeding heart lib ---- he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, which is hypocritical.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:13 PM
 
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I am a humanitarian, and that has no borders. I care what happens to humans, no matter where they live. I find it incongruous that the country (the USA), which wants to present itself as a champion of human rights and freedom, continues to have laws an policies which cause it to have the highest prison population in the world (more than China which has 3 times the population), and the highest by far per capita prison population.

Do you really think the USA is that much more prone to criminality, or do you think maybe the laws are wrong? Think about this... dictatorships world wide have less people in prison. Never mind other first world countries.

What's wrong with US laws? Or is it less humanitarian?
If the US is so horrible, then why are people even immigrating here? Some of which risk their lives?

So, you propose to do away with punishments for committing crime? If I come and point a gun at you and rob you, I should never go to jail for that? If I commit physical assault on you, I should not go to jail for that?

Exactly what laws are wrong? And even so, if the person knows what they are doing is against the law, why are they doing it?
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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Well said

He whines and says that America isn't "humanitarian", yet never did I see him say that he is going to volunteer to move several illegal alien families into his own home. Typical bleeding heart lib ---- he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, which is hypocritical.
So you too are proud that America has the world's highest prison population, in raw numbers, and by far, in per capita.

Is it the laws? Is is that Americans are more prone to crime than any other country in the world? Or what is it?

Of course, there is a large part of the population that loves the Joe Arpaio perspective. The criminal sheriff Joe Arpaio.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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If the US is so horrible, then why are people even immigrating here? Some of which risk their lives?

So, you propose to do away with punishments for committing crime? If I come and point a gun at you and rob you, I should never go to jail for that? If I commit physical assault on you, I should not go to jail for that?

Exactly what laws are wrong? And even so, if the person knows what they are doing is against the law, why are they doing it?
America needs to take a hard look as to how to revamp their justice system. There is no reason that the 18 year old arrested for possession of weed should be in jail for years. There is no reason an opioid drug user should be in jail period, they should be in a rehab program.

America's private prison industry likes long sentences for minor crimes. There is something wrong with that morally.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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America needs to take a hard look as to how to revamp their justice system. There is no reason that the 18 year old arrested for possession of weed should be in jail for years. There is no reason an opioid drug user should be in jail period, they should be in a rehab program.

America's private prison industry likes long sentences for minor crimes. There is something wrong with that morally.
There would only be around a 14% reduction in the number of prisoners if removed all drug related incarcerations. At least according to this;

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...incarceration/

Anyway, if they know the drugs are illegal, why do they have them?
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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You know what's interesting, there's people in DTLA asking to donate for refugees on the other side of the world as i step around a bunch of homeless people. What's up with that.
That's exactly the point, Max. Some people only care about others if they're from a third world country. They couldn't care less about Americans living like they're in a third world country. They're hypocrites.


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Well said

He whines and says that America isn't "humanitarian", yet never did I see him say that he is going to volunteer to move several illegal alien families into his own home. Typical bleeding heart lib ---- he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, which is hypocritical.
Here's the thing, BOS2IAD. He's not interested in people as much as he is interested in criticizing America and Americans. He's anti-American. Bottom line is - it's none of his damn business. And if he was such a *humanitarian* he wouldn't have time to sit on his laptop proclaiming it - he'd be out living it.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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There would only be around a 14% reduction in the number of prisoners if removed all drug related incarcerations. At least according to this;

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...incarceration/

Anyway, if they know the drugs are illegal, why do they have them?
Federal and State laws, if they care, need to also look at the severity of incarcerations. Violent criminals? I'm pretty OK with just about throwing away the key. Non-violent crimes? Time to look at reassessing as the current situation is not working.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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America needs to take a hard look as to how to revamp their justice system. There is no reason that the 18 year old arrested for possession of weed should be in jail for years. There is no reason an opioid drug user should be in jail period, they should be in a rehab program.

America's private prison industry likes long sentences for minor crimes. There is something wrong with that morally.

Just proved my point this is about bashing America. I guess things are too boring in the Canada forum.
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