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Considering telling men no for the last hundred years hasn't worked to keep it from happening, this is the only logical step for men to learn to keep their hands to their self.
I agree. Perhaps in the 50s and before, a man could do this and the waitress would just accepted it. It was a (disgusting) part of the culture. But it isn't any more. There have been years of stories in the news, lots of policies enacted at businesses, etc. If people don't know about this already, or if they choose to ignore the way things are NOW, then I think the only way to teach them is to set an example and let them live with the consequences of their actions.
Sometimes a man slaps another man or a woman on the butt quite often, or vice versa. The person who gets slapped might not mind getting slapped whereas another who does get slapped will mind. However, especially in this era of #MeToo, the problem is determining when it becomes assault. If that waitress repeatedly expressed "no" (body language can be tricky with that), then I agree it is assault.
Somebody should *not* have to tell people, "Please don't hit me." Not hitting another human being should be your default option.
the waitress who was hit on the butt was nicer than I would have been in that situation. I would have swung around and slapped that man on the face as hard as I could.
You're even nicer than I am. I would've punched him.
Sometimes a man slaps another man or a woman on the butt quite often, or vice versa. The person who gets slapped might not mind getting slapped whereas another who does get slapped will mind. However, especially in this era of #MeToo, the problem is determining when it becomes assault. If that waitress repeatedly expressed "no" (body language can be tricky with that), then I agree it is assault.
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There is a huge, huge difference between two adults who are friends and do that and complete strangers. The waitress does not have to first say "No" to prevent being struck/slapped by a stranger. Sheesh!
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Originally Posted by Indigo Cardinal
Somebody should *not* have to tell people, "Please don't hit me." Not hitting another human being should be your default option.
I agree. Perhaps in the 50s and before, a man could do this and the waitress would just accepted it. It was a (disgusting) part of the culture. But it isn't any more. There have been years of stories in the news, lots of policies enacted at businesses, etc. If people don't know about this already, or if they choose to ignore the way things are NOW, then I think the only way to teach them is to set an example and let them live with the consequences of their actions.
When I first got out of college, our company president would smack 60ish receptionist (his age) on he butt.
Sometimes a man slaps another man or a woman on the butt quite often, or vice versa. The person who gets slapped might not mind getting slapped whereas another who does get slapped will mind. However, especially in this era of #MeToo, the problem is determining when it becomes assault. If that waitress repeatedly expressed "no" (body language can be tricky with that), then I agree it is assault.
Clarallel, does bring upt a relevant point of defining "forcible touching". A partial problem is that a law might define a specific offense as happening under specific circumstances. Going with Clarell's example, a random stranger grabbing Clarallel from behind to prevent Clarallel from falling would be "assault" or "unwanted touching". Just as a law can be too vague to define what circumstances constitute when an offense happens, it could also be too specific. Finding a middle ground is difficult.
No, it isn't difficult for people who have brains, respect for others, and common sense. These people know that the probability of a waitress "not minding" if a customer slaps her on the butt is ZERO. Also, if the man who was saved from falling by a stranger wants to file charges for "forcible touching", he is free to do so, just like the waitress. Those who are concerned about their ability to identify "unwanted touching" can easily protect themselves by simply NOT touching.
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