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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society."
That is precisely why the malice and greed has damaged the principles and premise of Democracy....
They should have come here because they respect the Democracy, and understand its based in a respect for and of the equality of person, as individual, who is willing and does agree to work and live in a civil society that functions by democratic process, in how it elects its governing representatives, That's why it adopted the Republic System... to manage the elections of representatives which is done by democratic process, of 1 person, 1 vote and Majority Rules.
Capitalism was and is a system that was adopted as a means to use currency where exchange could be managed and people could make profit within a system that does not over exert itself by and through greed. therefore it was and is a trust based system... with regulatory guidelines...
But when people come with a "get rich mentality"... they regard none of such things, and indulge themselves in a selfish quest of getting rich, and then expect a level of freedom that ignore the regulatory system and the civil and civic policies of society and community.
Anyone who understands public health, sociology, or how economies work knows that societies function better when they are NOT "every man for himself".
Yes, capitalism is important, but it doesn't solve all societal problems in a way that we would consider humane. Public goods need to be socialized to a certain extent.
The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
Big Ayn Rand fan?
I leave you with the last line of the Declaration of Independence:
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”
It would be interesting if people understood what a "Federal Reserve Note" is.... It certainly was not designed for "greed", it was developed with denomination to support and facilitate exchange.
The hunter gatherer tribes formed naturally without any external coercion. When you get to the age of empire and divine authority, people still communicated and interacted locally but it was twisted by a contextual outside force.
Same with capitalist businesses today, the money motive and the material marketing distorts human nature into a consumer when they were original individual producers.
Empires and divine authority are inherently human.
You're just talking about your version of human nature -my version doesn't exclude people who want to take their own individualistic approach.
Bands of hunter gatherers are no more uniquely human, than the most capitalistic society.
Taking away money and private property just leads to greater oppression
No, they are artificial constructs meant to retain elite power.
The Soviet Union had the government to keep wealth concentrated into the hands of a few, the US has private control (different from personal property) of the means of production and wage labor to keep power in the hands of a few (with government support of course).
If you take away state enforcement shareholders won’t be able to keep control of all these different production centers and they will then be controlled by people who have personal operation of them.
The cave men societies didn’t have private property because people could only understand property as that which a person has direct control of. Human nature calls for no tools that artificial centralize power away from the masses.
No, they are artificial constructs meant to retain elite power.
The Soviet Union had the government to keep wealth concentrated into the hands of a few, the US has private control (different from personal property) of the means of production and wage labor to keep power in the hands of a few (with government support of course).
If you take away state enforcement shareholders won’t be able to keep control of all these different production centers and they will then be controlled by people who have personal operation of them.
The cave men societies didn’t have private property because people could only understand property as that which a person has direct control of. Human nature calls for no tools that artificial centralize power away from the masses.
That's just a particular political philosophy, that doesn't have the validity of being uniquely true.
As technology changed away from hunter-gathering, the natural human tendency of adapting to suit the conditions, meant the cave man economics was not the only option that people could choose or impose.
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