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Old 11-29-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Individualism has nothing to do with freedom, it has to do with the right of some to exploit others. That by nature restricts freedom:

Real freedom exists in direct democracy, giving everyone an equal say. That is why the neanderthal formed societies based on mutual aid, it is human (and animal) nature to do so.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:29 AM
 
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Individualism has nothing to do with freedom, it has to do with the right of some to exploit others. That by nature restricts freedom:

Real freedom exists in direct democracy, giving everyone an equal say. That is why the neanderthal formed societies based on mutual aid, it is human (and animal) nature to do so.
Direct democracy means 51% of the people can rightfully kill 49%. Strange definition of freedom.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Denver
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
Thankfully, we've evolved past caveman and not everyone shares your views. Social systems help the country as a whole, even you. Healthier, higher educated individuals lead to better workers and higher wages.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Direct democracy means 51% of the people can rightfully kill 49%. Strange definition of freedom.
And gerrymandered or electoral college democracy means that 49% of the people can rightfully kill 51%. Strange definition of freedom. So much for the will of the people.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Thankfully, we've evolved past caveman and not everyone shares your views. Social systems help the country as a whole, even you. Healthier, higher educated individuals lead to better workers and higher wages.
Cave men actually formed societies based on mutual aid, they didn’t follow the individualistic mindset.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
They have no clue, that the USA was not created for the collective. Like all other nations.
The USA is unique. Nothing else like it. Nothing as powerful. Nothing as prosperous.
The more they try to make us like all the others, the less powerful and less prosperous we become.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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Individualism has nothing to do with freedom, it has to do with the right of some to exploit others. That by nature restricts freedom:

Real freedom exists in direct democracy, giving everyone an equal say. That is why the neanderthal formed societies based on mutual aid, it is human (and animal) nature to do so.

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The Neanderthals became extinct at the hands of the very individualistic modern humans.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Direct democracy means 51% of the people can rightfully kill 49%. Strange definition of freedom.
That is if you organize power in such a way that the state is a force that can slaughter people at will, it has nothing to do with direct democracy.

Direct democracy can exist on the community level without the need for an authoritarian private class that controls the wealth.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The Neanderthals became extinct at the hands of the very individualistic modern humans.
Wrong again, the early man, just like ever mammal, formed groups the shared labor for the greater freedom of all.

Those who decided to go it alone died in most cases. Now individualism means the right of one person to limit and exploit the freedoms of others,
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