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Old 11-29-2018, 12:27 PM
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Location: Great Britain
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
America is based a society, it was based on an industrial society but is increasingly a post-industrial society.

The fact that the US is moving towards a post-industrial society as new techonolgy and automation becomes ever more prevelant, and blue collar jobs have disappeared may be one of the reasons for Trump being elected.

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The US has very significant public spending based arund society, a very expensive heathcare system, a massive military industrial complex, a vast prison industrial complex and an increasingly militaristic police force who enforce societies laws. Americans also have less rights in terms of paid holidays, work longer hours have less working rights, yet claim to be more free than others.

The nature of business has also changed, as larger businesses and on-line platforms such as Amazon have taken trade away from traditional businesses and traditional jobs have disappeared in many sectors thereby destroying communities and causing deep change in society, and this has caused widespread anger in rust belt areas, which in turn has led to people such as Trump exploiting this anger.

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Old 11-29-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
He still had to work together with other cavemen to actually kill them.
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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He still had to work together with other cavemen to actually kill them.
Not only that but they distributed the meat and fruits without pay so that all may stay healthy and boost the tribe.
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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I disagree somewhat.

People are herd animals. Americans can be individuals with rights in the herd and as individuals can join together or not through the free association protection guaranteed them in the constitution to keep government in check. Both as individuals or as a group. The individual can be a grain of sand and a part of the beach at the same time. Its about freedom of choice.
Wonder what they do with the SJWs of that herd.
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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LAWL.



The Neanderthals became extinct at the hands of the very individualistic modern humans.
Early humans were not individualistic in the slightest. They were egalitarians who shared everything yes even with blind or disabled people in there tribe. Thank god they did not share your sick individualist ideology.
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Old 11-29-2018, 03:43 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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The whole point of America is that it's every man for himself. The reason our ancestors traveled here was to get rich and be free. They did not immigrate here to work for "good of society." You can immigrate to Cuba if that's your goal. Personally, I am business for myself. The whole reason why human civilization advanced is because people wanted to advance their own self-interest. Think about it: some caveman invented a spear because he wanted to eat mammoths.
The problem isn't that America is too individualistic, its that it is too capitalistic. Hyper capitalism erodes individualism and replaces the "man" with the consumer. And consumers are only valued in mass, they count for nothing as individuals.
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Old 11-29-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Mutual Aid is beneficial to everyone and is a human tendency that exists within all forms of voluntary organization.
That is what just about eliminated the Pilgrims from existence.
We just Celebrated the Indians bailing them out.
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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Early humans were not individualistic in the slightest. They were egalitarians who shared everything yes even with blind or disabled people in there tribe. Thank god they did not share your sick individualist ideology.
They shared everything voluntarily. They only stayed in the tribe because it benefited them.
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They shared everything voluntarily. They only stayed in the tribe because it benefited them.
That’s how mutual Aid works.

Read Kropotkin, communism is a natural tendency of human beings.
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:08 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Cave men actually formed societies based on mutual aid, they didn’t follow the individualistic mindset.
Yes the might makes right system.
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