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Water molecules are individuals, each moving by each other independently and randomly. Water, standing alone, cannot support itself. Iron and carbon molecules are linked arm in arm in an organized crystalline structure. Together and collectively they make steel, which is of course far stronger than water.
This is why individualism is doomed to fail because one person alone can achieve only so much. For mankind to achieve great things it takes collectivism -- the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Another word for this collectivism is civilization.
The fact that you can post a message on an internet forum requires a mixture of capitalism and collectivism to make it possible. Taxes are the oil of civilization. If you want to live in a civilized country, pay up.
Water molecules are individuals, each moving by each other independently and randomly. Water, standing alone, cannot support itself. Iron and carbon molecules are linked arm in arm in an organized crystalline structure. Together and collectively they make steel, which is of course far stronger than water.
This is why individualism is doomed to fail because one person alone can achieve only so much. For mankind to achieve great things it takes collectivism -- the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Another word for this collectivism is civilization.
The fact that you can post a message on an internet forum requires a mixture of capitalism and collectivism to make it possible. Taxes are the oil of civilization. If you want to live in a civilized country, pay up.
What is your problem with individuals cooperating voluntarily? Forced collectivization is not civilized.
It's my right...
You have the right to....
Healthcare is a right...
College is a right....
Is it really a right, if someone else has to do it for you?
Can I force you to provide a right to me?
Or, do rights deal with Natural Law and things you can provide for yourself?
Interesting to see the diverse viewpoints to come.....
Popcorn please!
Ever heard the word "Congress" or know anything about its Authority to Legislate? If not, research might benefit.
As Representatives of the People, and this Nations, It's their job, and they have elected Representative who create policy and craft legislation, and they are not there to pander to self centered ideals of a few who detest seeing anything benefit society... and they don't craft it with designs to deny something to people, just because some hate to see others assisted.
There is a document called "The Constitution" and it is structured to honor and respect the Preamble, that proceeds its structured systems as to how to provide for the things its Preamble makes declaration and claim for its purpose and function(s).
the question for some, who detest the civility of society, and its civic processes... if they ever get past vain glutton, they may learn... yet some will never learn.
To those who fight against America's Systems and its Governance.... here's a message for them.
"Ever heard of "Civil Society and Civic Responsibility to advance a Civil Society and Processes".... "Surprise": it is as such by and through "regulatory governance", and governmental created and governmental sanctioned policy.... and backed up with Constitution Laws and Amendments to those laws."
Water molecules are individuals, each moving by each other independently and randomly. Water, standing alone, cannot support itself. Iron and carbon molecules are linked arm in arm in an organized crystalline structure. Together and collectively they make steel, which is of course far stronger than water.
Sorry but I have to quibble. Water molecules are not individual molecules except at high temperatures. In liquid and solid states water molecules are held together at the intermolecular level by hydrogen bonds.
Steel on the other hand is not a molecule but an alloy. And over time water will corrode steel. Overall a seriously bad analogy.
If you want to use a chemical analogy just use water. When it is bonded together as either solids (glaciers) or liquids (rivers/oceans) it can literally move mountains. When they are individual molecules (i.e. steam) you cannot even see them.
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What is your problem with individuals cooperating voluntarily? Forced collectivization is not civilized.
Because we've seen here that too many individuals (especially who vote R) blame the poorer individuals for their problems, don't want to to jack squat to help them and would rather spend their tax money on a Mercedes than helping the needy
My company hires a ton of foreign workers, mostly from India. Apparently some Americans think they have a right to those jobs. According to the OP, how is it a right if they need the government to interfere on their behalf to secure these jobs? I agree!
Water molecules are individuals, each moving by each other independently and randomly. Water, standing alone, cannot support itself. Iron and carbon molecules are linked arm in arm in an organized crystalline structure. Together and collectively they make steel, which is of course far stronger than water.
This is why individualism is doomed to fail because one person alone can achieve only so much. For mankind to achieve great things it takes collectivism -- the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Another word for this collectivism is civilization.
That's not what collectivism is. Collectivism is the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society, and it always fails because too much is taken from some and too little is contributed by others.
Two 20th century examples:
1) Stalin starved 20 to 25 million people (some say 40 million) to death by confiscating their agricultural produce and wealth and redistributing it to others. The subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.
2) The Nazis confiscated the Jews' wealth to fund their government and subsequently executed them because they no longer had any means of support. The subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.
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That's not what collectivism is. Collectivism is the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society, and it always fails because too much is taken from some and too little is contributed by others.
Two 20th century examples:
1) Stalin starved 20 to 25 million people (some say 40 million) to death by confiscating their agricultural produce and wealth and redistributing it to others. The subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.
2) The Nazis confiscated the Jews' wealth to fund their government and subsequently executed them because they no longer had any means of support. The subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.
Geez... The subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.
Do you not understand anything of "Civil Society"? It's certainly evident you don't grasp the concept and/or the principle of Civic Society.
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of the individual for the benefit of the collective society.