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If all of you republicans feel so strongly about the "free stuff", feel free to reimburse Social Security for all of the years that you've been getting checks and reimburse Medicare for your hospital stays.
You mean the money they already paid in?
If all of you Liberals feel so strongly about the "free stuff", feel free to donate all your money to help those in need instead of always reaching in to other people's pockets for that!
If all of you Liberals feel so strongly about the "free stuff", feel free to donate all your money to help those in need instead of always reaching in to other people's pockets for that!
If you anarchists feel so strongly about taxes, then why do you keep voting for politicians like Trump who sticks his hand in your pocket?
Public services are not "free stuff", they are services we pay for, like the military, police and public works. You call them "free stuff" out of sheer ignorance.
If the USMC is in reference to the military, then don't you find it at least a little ironic you'd mock people who were willing to pay your salary?
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The question is not whether we should... but whether it's morally acceptable to force you to help each other. The answer is no. No one should be forced to help others. Everyone should have the option of leaving the organized society if they do not want to participate in that society's customs.
Not sure why morals has to do with paying someone's bills.
Very strange question too, I was going to pick the one with the "bulls" in it but I don't have any "bulls" :-)
I'll note on healthcare though that with traditional group insurance plans, you are not paying only for your own healthcare. You are paying for everyone in the "group" as it is a shared risk pool.
I have no issue and wish our country would hurry up and do some sort of universal healthcare plan. I'd prefer it be funded with a .5% national sales tax so everyone would be paying into it. Also that there be copays so that we won't have people going to the ER/doctor all the time for runny noses.
For education, I honestly think it is morally irresponsible for a country not to provide high quality public education for free at least through 10th grade (I honestly don't think we need to go to school through 12th grade for everything).
For daycare, I'd prefer that a parent stay home and watch a child or that parents could create childcare cooperatives. I don't think that we should subsidize daycare.
Not sure why morals has to do with paying someone's bills.
Very strange question too, I was going to pick the one with the "bulls" in it but I don't have any "bulls" :-)
I'll note on healthcare though that with traditional group insurance plans, you are not paying only for your own healthcare. You are paying for everyone in the "group" as it is a shared risk pool.
I have no issue and wish our country would hurry up and do some sort of universal healthcare plan. I'd prefer it be funded with a .5% national sales tax so everyone would be paying into it. Also that there be copays so that we won't have people going to the ER/doctor all the time for runny noses.
For education, I honestly think it is morally irresponsible for a country not to provide high quality public education for free at least through 10th grade (I honestly don't think we need to go to school through 12th grade for everything).
For daycare, I'd prefer that a parent stay home and watch a child or that parents could create childcare cooperatives. I don't think that we should subsidize daycare.
It has a lot to do with “force.”
Secondly, how is it even moral when you accept money that you didn’t earn to pay for your own bills? I can understand if the money is from your relatives, but not from a stranger.
I'll note on healthcare though that with traditional group insurance plans, you are not paying only for your own healthcare. You are paying for everyone in the "group" as it is a shared risk pool.
Any insurance, private or public, works like that. Somehow that translates to "free stuff" to some people.
Half the time they complain about how much they pay, and the other half they argue its "free stuff". Go figure.
The countries with universal healthcare system didn't install them because they wanted to pay for other people bills, they did it because they wanted coverage for themselves and their own families. US is the only country where even government employees complain about having to pay for others, and they don't even realize their own salaries are paid by others.
I don't mind paying for police, military etc in order to insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
I'm with the founders on that one.
You disagree, because you see it as "paying for others" without realizing you are included in the "others". The police will protect you too. Think of it that way, and you'll be a lot less bitter about having to pay for "others".
The founders said "ourselves and our Posterity", not "other people and their posterity".
There may have been nations with no military, or any kind of public services, but they would have fallen apart, or got taken over a long time ago.
You want the borders protected, but you dont want to pay for it. That can mean only one thing: You want others to pay for your bills. Hypocrite!
Please don’t try to confuse legitimate government functions with personal expenses.
Please don’t try to confuse legitimate government functions with personal expenses.
You don't get to define that should be included in "legitimate government functions". Anyone can argue a healthy and educated population benefits the nation as whole, in which case funding healthcare and education would become "legitimate government function".
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
Do you think it's morally acceptable for others to pay to pave the street you live on? How about for the police to come help you? My grandparents just lost their home in a fire over the weekend; do you think their next door neighbor should have been forced to pay for the fire department to come put out that fire if it wasn't affecting their own house? How about the person down the street? Should I have to pay for the library if I don't use it? Why should my taxes go to ensuring that commercial meat is safe if I'm a vegetarian?
Wah wah wah. If you don't like it, move somewhere else where there are no taxes and no services (which you use, even if you think you don't).
And now you can again. Are you forgoing your health insurance? Let's see that conviction to your beliefs. Cancel your socialist health insurance policy. Or is that just more big, bad talk?
Also, cancel your socialist car insurance, homeowners' insurance, and life insurance. And quit eating foods that the USDA regulates and stop taking medications that the FDA approves. Don't drive on roads that the government pays to keep up and tell the police and fire department that you don't want their services, ever. Never take public transportation. And don't use any municipal water, either; go dig your own well.
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