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View Poll Results: Is it morally acceptable to you to force other people to pay for your bills?
Yes, I love it! 16 16.84%
No, it morally repugnant. 77 81.05%
I don’t like it but it’s nice someone pays for my bulls 1 1.05%
I don’t know. 1 1.05%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-19-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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Life is what you make, if you don't plan it properly or live it responsibly nobody should be forced to pay for your mistakes. It is only right to help people who go through hard times when they're unemployed, and that should only last for a short time not a life time.
Sure you should be able to help out an unemployed person voluntarily and with your own money. You dont get to rob your neighbor for it and claim the moral high ground.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: London
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You mean the money they already paid in?






If all of you Liberals feel so strongly about the "free stuff", feel free to donate all your money to help those in need instead of always reaching in to other people's pockets for that!
If social security only distributed to recipients the amount they paid into it or less, then social security wouldn't be forecasted to no longer exist in a few years.

Since that's not the case, then it's reasonable to assume that current recipients are getting more than they've paid into it. So...welfare.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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Sure you should be able to help out an unemployed person voluntarily and with your own money. You dont get to rob your neighbor for it and claim the moral high ground.
Exactly.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Another day, another handful of angry right wingers who can't get over the idea of taxes.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: London
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You're right. When you are in an emergency situation, you don't have the ability to shop around. Irregardless, the costs of healthcare in this country are absolutely out of control, and no one has done anything about it. So don't expect any change.

In years past, healthcare was a provided by people who actually cared about people over money. But money has morphed into a necessity, not a luxury. So if healthcare providers and companies that employ them care as deeply about people today, they still need money to exist and offer their service. And they need a lot of money, because it's not cheap to run a healthcare facility today. Basically, the way we choose to live is entirely different today, and I don't see any going back.
I agree. Universal healthcare is feasible only once fundamental costs are under control.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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You'd cancel it because you're participating in a socialist program. You don't have an agreement with just your policy provider. You also have it with everyone else who has a policy with them. You all pay into a pool and those funds are used to pay out each other's claims. You pay a fraction of your cost for your medical services because other people pay the difference. That's the very definition of socialism.

Please let us know when you plan on cancelling your socialist policy.
Purely voluntary association and not one person in the pool was forced to be there. You're just applying the word "socialism" to something and then building your straw man off that misguided application.

The government does not own my insurer, they do not force anyone to have a policy with that insurer, and participation with that insurer is completely voluntary under a variety of plans that serve the mutual self-interests of insurer and insured. Every year I am asked if I would like to renew my association or cancel it.

Nothing socialist about it. Pretty much a standard capitalist contract agreement where both parties benefit from trade. My insurer makes a profit and I mitigate my risks.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Purely voluntary association and not one person in the pool was forced to be there. You're just applying the word "socialism" to something and then building your straw man off that misguided application.
Car insurance is mandatory, but not many are outraged by it knowing its a good thing the person hitting your rear has insurance.

Having said that, socialism is government ownership of means of production, while mandate to have insurance is simply a law /regulation.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: NC
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If social security only distributed to recipients the amount they paid into it or less, then social security wouldn't be forecasted to no longer exist in a few years.

Since that's not the case, then it's reasonable to assume that current recipients are getting more than they've paid into it. So...welfare.
I am 'pretty sure' that the solvency issues with SS are due to politicians raiding the fund. I think your "since that's not the case" is misinformed. The reason it's not the case is because is because mismanagement of the money.

Now, I guess you could try the tact of saying "see, government screws everything up", but before you do that, you might check to see which party is on record considering SS as an entitlement. It's often the same party that wants you to believe that it's immoral to expect society to give back as much to the poor as the rich takes from them....
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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Car insurance is mandatory, but not many are outraged by it knowing its a good thing the person hitting your rear has insurance.

Having said that, socialism is government ownership of means of production, while mandate to have insurance is simply a law /regulation.
Car insurance is mandatory if you wish to operate a vehicle on a public road and not risk getting a fine and possibly sued for not having it. Lots of people drive without insurance every day. I don't, but again, a long time voluntary association that is mutually beneficial represents my auto insurance.

The other nice thing about auto insurance is that I can select a wide variety of products that suit my interests, and my behavior is the primary determinant of the cost.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Is it morally acceptable to you to force other people to pay for your bills?


It's just another name for theft, and distribution of stolen goods.
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