Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,839 posts, read 26,242,918 times
Reputation: 34039

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by LearnMe View Post
Actually, there are many programs out there to help the homeless...

"Volunteers of America works to prevent and end homelessness through a range of support services including eviction prevention, emergency services, transitional housing and permanent affordable housing. Once we engage homeless individuals, including youth and families with children, we stay with them for as long as it takes to return them to self-sufficiency."

https://www.voa.org/homeless-people

Unfortunately, lots of homeless people don't take advantage of these programs and/or the programs just don't work as well as anyone would like for another variety of challenging reasons.
I am not sure why you think that people actually have access to all of these programs, maybe in a Cit without a large number of homeless things are different but in Sacramento for example, there is one year round women's shelter, it has a waiting list of 250. A woman in a wheelchair died across street from the shelter after waiting three days for a bed.

One of the problems with programs for the homeless are the hoops that people have to jump through in order to get permanent housing. In Sacramento, you can't show up and say "hey I'm homeless help me" you have to wait until you have no other option, not even a car to sleep in before they will consider
you. You actually have to live on the streets for at least 30 days unsheltered, and stay in contact with a social worker who will confirm that you are actually sleeping on the streets. After you've 'proven' you are really homeless you are directed to various 'programs' for substance/alcohol abuse or mental health services. The few people who comply and make it through that might get a housing voucher but they have to find a landlord who will accept the voucher and they have to have the rental deposit and pass the landlords screening. If you can't find someone who will accept the voucher within 6 months you lose it.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/ho...217887805.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,863 posts, read 46,602,543 times
Reputation: 18521
Quote:
Originally Posted by tamajane View Post
So we're good with homeless tents and open drug use on street?
Well, bring back Insane Asylums back on line, has been shot down in the bright minds of those that know better than you.


The nutz are running the asylum out there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,839 posts, read 26,242,918 times
Reputation: 34039
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALGUY View Post
Show me where it states in the constitution that the federal , and state governments are restricted from moving people with a huge health risk to the general public, is unlawful
I won't hold my breath waiting for your response.

Bob.
I'll be glad to respond as soon as you explain to me how you are going to identify which of the homeless are a "huge health risk"....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:17 AM
 
29,540 posts, read 9,704,508 times
Reputation: 3468
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
That's their choice.

Again, why should I or anyone else subsidize their Life-Style choices?

It's called "planning."

It's not my fault your public education system turns out turds like that.

Maybe if they hadn't spent $1,200 on tattoos, they'd have the money.
Needless to say, nothing anyone comments will change anyone's mind, but ultimately it does serve best to properly understand the fundamentals, beginning with what exactly is "their choice" and what is something else entirely.

Aside from all that we should know better about what leads to homelessness later in life let alone at a very young age, there is the basic question I'm always hard pressed to answer. Why would ANYONE choose to live like a homeless person does? Filthy, hungry, alone, unprotected from the elements, sleeping on cardboard or dirt, harassed, no bathrooms or showers, digging through trash for food...

Who "chooses" such a path?

Any nitwit would agree that if someone CHOOSES to live like an animal when they could otherwise live a normal life, that's up to them, end of issue, but only a nitwit can believe so many millions of people live like animals because they CHOOSE to. I mean that sort of head-in-sand notion might make it easier to look the other way. No doubt ignorance is bliss, but is it ignorance or simply not wanting to be bothered with problems we can't realistically ignore?

I would gladly advocate for no help or expense if I thought that approach would better serve all of us, but I've been to countries where that approach is more common, and I've found no evidence whatsoever that doing nothing makes matters better rather than worse for all concerned. Much worse!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,839 posts, read 26,242,918 times
Reputation: 34039
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiko View Post
Traditionally moving them along was what was done. While there were not debtors prisons the shelters with civilian staff instead of county deputies or corrections officers would not allow porn or self medication so were effectively jails.

Those that broke out of jail would not be allowed to camp and were just pushed on until Darwin's theory got tested. But it seems that our rulers in robes decided that there is the right to camp out with your stuff deserving police protection so the unfit in Darwinion terms sit and sleep where they please.
In what alternate reality did that happen?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:21 AM
 
16,956 posts, read 16,748,451 times
Reputation: 10408
The Dem's are totally destroying this country...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:24 AM
 
29,540 posts, read 9,704,508 times
Reputation: 3468
Quote:
Originally Posted by xPlorer48 View Post
I was born here and family has lived in the Puget Sound are since before Washington became a state. Besides, why should we have to move? We have rural acreage so have a respite. More and more, we order online do trips to town are increasingly less frequent. Neighbor moved along with his crazy homeless buddies. He sold to two doctors who now rent it out to a retired doctor. Peace at last. That’s right, you are the homeless sympathizer. Why don’t you invite them to your neighborhood? Dontcha think?
It's because none of us necessarily want a homeless shelter next door that most of us want solutions that better suit all concerned. Simply doing nothing isn't one of those solutions...

If you are a business owner, for example, and it seems homeless people tend to congregate around the front door of your place of business or in the downtown plaza intended to draw tourists, you are obviously going to look to local officials to come up with a strategy that will help. That no one wants a shelter in their neighborhood doesn't exactly work so well for the local businesses downtown. Does it?

So what to do besides just suggest someone else deal with the problem?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:26 AM
 
29,540 posts, read 9,704,508 times
Reputation: 3468
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncguy50 View Post
Yeah, that's what I thought. Moral grandstanding. Leftists make me laugh.
Sometimes I wish I could take on similar conservative attitude, because it is so much easier than actually thinking...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:36 AM
 
29,540 posts, read 9,704,508 times
Reputation: 3468
Quote:
Originally Posted by CALGUY View Post
Show me where it states in the constitution that the federal , and state governments are restricted from moving people with a huge health risk to the general public, is unlawful
I won't hold my breath waiting for your response.

Bob.
Doesn't.

As commented before, we had an unauthorized homeless encampment that kept growing right there off the freeway as you entered our town. It grew because over time police would even suggest the spot to the homeless because it was away from downtown, but as it grew, the conditions got worse and worse, and the camp became more and more a public health concern not to mention an serious eye sore...

Took some traveling through the court system before the effort to clear the camp and move the homeless to a better location was actually allowed. The homeless were moved to a less conspicuous spot in an empty county lot in a more industrial area where they were provided with fresh new tents on pallets to keep them off the ground. No drugs allowed, a few porto-potties set up and an information table of support services to help them move out of homelessness.

Not ideal and no "magic silver bullet" to end the problem, but compared to the prior campsite that looked like an absolute dump site, just about everyone is happy about the vast improvement and that it was managed in a legal, humane and sensible manner.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-03-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
6,223 posts, read 3,405,754 times
Reputation: 4367
Quote:
Originally Posted by tamajane View Post
It should be considered an emergency, no? This is happening all over the US cities right under our assaulted noses, because feces do not smell rosy, and nothing changes. Therefore, it must be acceptable. How much are we going to take and what happens when it gets worse because we accept it as normal.

Seems most likely to be a bigger problem in large dominated liberal controlled/sanctuary cities. I guess liberal don't really care because the homeless rarely vote. Liberals are more concerned with illegal aliens and their vote.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top