U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-07-2019, 03:10 PM
 
6,341 posts, read 2,697,310 times
Reputation: 2335

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by odanny View Post
That is all so very true, and they would likely have a 21st century democracy were it not for the looming threat of U.S. military action, which helps keep their despotic regime in power. They are young, educated, and desperately wish to be a part of the civilized world without economic sanctions. Pres. Obama was facilitating this transformation before the neocons v.2.0 pulled the ole' switcheroo.
Iran used to be mostly secular until we meddled in their business.
Funny how that works.
Heck, Iraq was ruled by Saddam who was secular and crushed the fanatics when they entered his country.
Now they are ruled by the Shia's, the same running Iran lol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-07-2019, 03:12 PM
 
6,341 posts, read 2,697,310 times
Reputation: 2335
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Which means nothing of the sort. Unless you are claiming this about claims from the majority of politicians
Yea, all politicians work for their deep pocket masters while filling their loyal fans with dog **** lol.
It is like watching football in a way.

You have the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Green Bay Packers for example.
You have the imbeciles rooting for each team as if they represent their home state.
Majority of the members on each team were probably born in some other state and the owners as well.
The team members are not working for your state, they are working to get that big fat paycheck and then retire in some other state lol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 03:45 PM
 
1,618 posts, read 415,250 times
Reputation: 1992
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Before Bush was in power, Clinton and the DNC were screaming their heads off about the imminent threat of Iraq's WMDs.

I can only assume you are too young to remember, and The View hasn't filled you in.
That’s a big negative there Pedro. I remember that time perfectly.

Iraq was contained both north and south by US air power. In the north the Kurds thrived under our protective umbrella.

The screams of WMD came in 2003 when Bush43 needed a excuse to get “The guy who wants to git my Diddy”.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 03:49 PM
 
79,533 posts, read 33,688,908 times
Reputation: 15915
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomC23 View Post
That’s a big negative there Pedro. I remember that time perfectly.

Iraq was contained both north and south by US air power. In the north the Kurds thrived under our protective umbrella.

The screams of WMD came in 2003 when Bush43 needed a excuse to get “The guy who wants to git my Diddy”.
No, the (D)'s were claiming the same thing pre-Bush. You can argue that they did little about it but they were making the same claims.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Ohio
19,953 posts, read 14,256,616 times
Reputation: 16132
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Stay out of the ME, crisis averted.
A military crisis perhaps, but not the economic crisis that will plague you for generations.

There's a reason why you need Iran.

Elect whoever you want. It matters not. You can elect Martin Luther King, Sonny & Cher, Bono, any of the Kardashians, Biden, Bernie, Warren, Harris, and when the opportunity presents itself, you'll be there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 06:20 PM
 
6,341 posts, read 2,697,310 times
Reputation: 2335
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
A military crisis perhaps, but not the economic crisis that will plague you for generations.

There's a reason why you need Iran.

Elect whoever you want. It matters not. You can elect Martin Luther King, Sonny & Cher, Bono, any of the Kardashians, Biden, Bernie, Warren, Harris, and when the opportunity presents itself, you'll be there.
So if the American people do not wish a war with Iran and other people have a different opinion and also control our country, who are these people Americans should be attacking since they clearly do not represent the wishes of the American people?

Across America, on forums, in real life, at work and so on, no one wants a war with Iran.
Who are these people we should be putting 6 feet under that say otherwise?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 06:53 PM
 
4,093 posts, read 6,424,806 times
Reputation: 4186
The war hawks are staging another false flag attack. It makes no sense at all for a country one fifth the size of the US and without armed forces of the US to attack. Remember that last false flag war?
Iraq. 8,000 Americans died and over a million Iraqis died and no weapons of mass destruction were ever found. Now we have Israel and Saudi Arabia pressing the US to attack Iran and our looney war hawks like Bolton are happy to accomodate them.
Are you ready to have your children and grandchildren slaughtered in another senseless war?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 07:07 PM
 
3,749 posts, read 1,811,819 times
Reputation: 3765
Quote:
Originally Posted by J746NEW View Post
Yea, all politicians work for their deep pocket masters while filling their loyal fans with dog **** lol.
It is like watching football in a way.

You have the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Green Bay Packers for example.
You have the imbeciles rooting for each team as if they represent their home state.
Majority of the members on each team were probably born in some other state and the owners as well.
The team members are not working for your state, they are working to get that big fat paycheck and then retire in some other state lol.
You're a certified genius.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 07:20 PM
 
2,781 posts, read 1,020,601 times
Reputation: 1777
Quote:
Originally Posted by crone View Post


The part that confuses me is Iran is bad because they sponsor terrorist. But 9-11 was sponsored by Saudis and we sell them lots of weapons.
They are both bad in their own way. Neither Saudi Arabia nor Iran should be supported while they wage their religious war on one another.

Israel is the best country in the ME, but other than some financial support, the US should not engage with Iran on their behalf.

The interesting thing is that Netanyahu, while being a rather hysterical person, is actually right about Iran,but that is mostly in relation to Israel itself as opposed to the US. Iran has been using it's proxies in Syria and Lebanon to attack Israel. They don't have the means to directly attack Israel and any potential nuclear fallout would also harm neighboring countries, which would backfire on Iran, and that's the last thing they want.

The reason they've taken a more proactive role against Israel is so that they can gain an upper hand in the Islamic world. Since Iran is the de facto leader of Shias (which account for about 20% of all Muslims), it needs to find a way to uproot Sunni domianance. What better way to do so then to target the one nation that inhabits contested territory (Israel)? The Muslims world would love nothing more than to claim Jerusalem and establish a global caliphate (this idea long predates the establishment of groups like ISIS). If Iran can lead the charge in that, it will gain a massive foothold. If you exclude the intervention of foreign powers in that area, such as the US, Europeans on one side and the Russians on the other, whose goal is to acquire resources in that area, then there is a large religious war that's been playing along for a long time. Sunni vs Shia and Islam vs Israel.

But other than that, I fully agree with the notion that war with Iran would be a severe mistake and that the Saudis are just as problematic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2019, 09:37 PM
 
3,626 posts, read 1,565,366 times
Reputation: 2536
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Way Resident View Post
They are both bad in their own way. Neither Saudi Arabia nor Iran should be supported while they wage their religious war on one another.

Israel is the best country in the ME, but other than some financial support, the US should not engage with Iran on their behalf.

The interesting thing is that Netanyahu, while being a rather hysterical person, is actually right about Iran,but that is mostly in relation to Israel itself as opposed to the US. Iran has been using it's proxies in Syria and Lebanon to attack Israel. They don't have the means to directly attack Israel and any potential nuclear fallout would also harm neighboring countries, which would backfire on Iran, and that's the last thing they want.

The reason they've taken a more proactive role against Israel is so that they can gain an upper hand in the Islamic world. Since Iran is the de facto leader of Shias (which account for about 20% of all Muslims), it needs to find a way to uproot Sunni domianance. What better way to do so then to target the one nation that inhabits contested territory (Israel)? The Muslims world would love nothing more than to claim Jerusalem and establish a global caliphate (this idea long predates the establishment of groups like ISIS). If Iran can lead the charge in that, it will gain a massive foothold. If you exclude the intervention of foreign powers in that area, such as the US, Europeans on one side and the Russians on the other, whose goal is to acquire resources in that area, then there is a large religious war that's been playing along for a long time. Sunni vs Shia and Islam vs Israel.

But other than that, I fully agree with the notion that war with Iran would be a severe mistake and that the Saudis are just as problematic.
Like Mircea who says for economic reasons , you are bringing a religious angle . Both are non sense. It could be only one of the two things .

1) Israel wants them gone, because the Persians are much brainier and potent than the Sunni bedouins.
2) The globalists are eyeing their markets ( especially the banking cartel) . Otherwise why should they threaten other countries to stop doing business with them and strangle them.

And 1 and 2 are very closely related.

And remember since WWII and formation of Israel only the allied powers have been in war world wide continously.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top