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Old Today, 03:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The most important effect of letting law-abiding citizens carry (even though most still wouldn't bother), is that potential murderers would know there's probably some people in the crowd who are armed and ready.

And this knowledge would keep some of the nutcases from going in and opening fire in the first place.

That's a better result than our current laws are giving us. Isn't it worth trying?

 
Old Today, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I agree completely. We should follow the 2nd Amendment to the letter. All gun owners should be required to attend militia training and be placed in a chain of command.
 
Old Today, 03:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How about if we simply let the 2nd amendment do what it was originally intended to do?

If everyone is allowed to carry a gun, would everybody do it? Of course not. Most wouldn't bother.

But a few probably would.

If the 2nd amendment were actually upheld and enforced as written, and all law-abiding adults were freely allowed to carry a gun, most still wouldn't bother. But a few would.

And a criminal planning to shoot up a festival etc., would know that there was a pretty good chance that some of the people in the crowd were armed, and knew how to use their weapons.

Some of the crazier criminals might go ahead and commit their crimes anyway. But a number of them would consider the increased risk to himself, and decide not to commit it, than do nowadays.

Presto, a mass shooting prevented, all without a shot being fired.

Why don't we try upholding the 2nd amendment, instead of expecting government to make everything better? If someone contemplating killing people, knows there's probably someone near him armed and ready, he's less likely to even start.

The main use of civilian-owned firearms is to DETER crimes. Which is a far better result than the results we have gotten from every government so-called "gun control" scheme, which have never resulted in ANY reduction in crime.
 
Old Today, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Plenty of situations where even trained police end up shooting innocent bystanders, itís complicated and having armed civilians just adds to the chaos.
 
Old Today, 03:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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I agree completely. We should follow the 2nd Amendment to the letter. All gun owners should be required to attend militia training and be placed in a chain of command.
That's not what the Second Amendment says. There is no training requirement nor membership in a militia to keep and bear arms. The Supreme Court has ruled the 2A is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

Are you saying you're ignorant of those facts?
 
Old Today, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How I interpret it is that every state should have a regulated Militia (army) and those are the ones allowed to keep and bear the arms. But then people are going to tell me, I'm wrong.
That's how I interpret it too. But apparently not the SCOTUS.

District of Columbia vs. Heller, 2008
 
Old Today, 04:00 PM
 
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I agree completely. We should follow the 2nd Amendment to the letter. All gun owners should be required to attend militia training and be placed in a chain of command.
In the time the 2nd was written, all able bodied men were the militia. So that is the way it should be today.
 
Old Today, 04:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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Plenty of situations where even trained police end up shooting innocent bystanders, it’s complicated and having armed civilians just adds to the chaos.
Very rare for the police and almost unheard of for LEGALLY armed civilians, but yeah keep trying.
 
Old Today, 04:05 PM
 
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I agree completely. We should follow the 2nd Amendment to the letter. All gun owners should be required to attend militia training and be placed in a chain of command.
You need to learn about the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights are all rights for the individual.

The 2nd is the right of individual to bear arms; hence, they put it in the Bill of Rights.
 
Old Today, 04:07 PM
 
Location: USA
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In the time the 2nd was written, all able bodied men were the militia. So that is the way it should be today.
Except that is not in anyway the requirement of owning and carrying a gun. People that were never in any militia back then owned and carried guns, LEGALLY.
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