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Old 08-12-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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After nearly 50 years of caterwauling and insisting man's activities cause climate change, still NO PROOF?


All I can find are statements like, "man puts out carbon and greenhouse gases, those things can change climate, therefore man is changing the climate."

Sort of like saying, "Jim left his lawn sprinklers running five minutes longer than he should have, water can flood cities, therefore Jim is flooding cities."

And papers that relate statements like the above, using many erudite pages, but which ultimately refer to another paper for proof. And sure enough, that other paper carries on for more pages, but refers to yet another. And that one points to yet another etc.

Are there any actual studies that methodically prove that man is generating enough to overwhelm the earth's natural tendencies to absorb them? And do more to change the climate than the sun (a nuclear bomb a million times the size of the entire planet), all the volcanoes on Earth, and everything else that has been varying the Earth's climate long before man learned how to use tools?

Not just guesses, not just "everybody knows that...", not just references, not just "but it must be true that...".

Where is any proof that man's activities have any effect on climate? And/or can do anything to change it back?

When the manmade-climate-change can spend 50 years insisting that government must take huge taxes from us, and spend it on trying to change the climate... but are unable to come up with any proof it can actually change it...

Isn't that a pretty good indication that there can be no proof, because man's activities actually have nothing to do with the climate change we're seeing?

 
Old 08-12-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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Careful accounting of the amount of fossil fuel that has been extracted and combusted, and how much land clearing has occurred, shows that we have produced far more CO2 than now remains in the atmosphere. The roughly 500 billion metric tons of carbon we have produced is enough to have raised the atmospheric concentration of CO2 to nearly 500 ppm. The concentrations have not reached that level because the ocean and the terrestrial biosphere have the capacity to absorb some of the CO2 we produce. However, it is the fact that we produce CO2 faster than the ocean and biosphere can absorb it that explains the observed increase.
How do we know that recent CO2 increases are due to human activities? « RealClimate


It's pretty well documented how much fossil fuels we burn. And the laws of chemistry are irrefutable - burning them makes CO2. There is also irrefutable proof that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by trobesmom View Post
The naysayers refuse to listen to science. Nothing can be done about that unfortunately. However, we're all going to suffer the consequences, believers or not.
The problem is that reducing CO2 significantly would destroy our economy. Millions of people could die from starvation. We are dependent of fossil fuels and will be for the foreseeable future.

Really good article here:

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Political rhetoric is cheap, but drastic cuts in carbon dioxide emissions remain prohibitively expensive and technologically challenging. After all, emissions cuts have been promised (and mostly not delivered) since the “Earth Summit” in Rio de Janeiro in 1992....


Although opinion polls show that people care about climate change and want to spend a relatively modest amount to fix it, they want more spent on education, health, job opportunities, and social support. Most Americans, for example, are willing to pay up to $200 per year to fight climate change; in China, the amount is about $30. Britons are unwilling to cut their driving, flying, and meat consumption significantly in order to combat climate change. And although the German government prioritizes climate action so highly that it convened a “climate cabinet,” just one-third of Germans support a controversial proposed tax to reduce global warming.The gulf between politicians and citizens is most apparent in France. The government vowed to cut CO2 emissions sharply by 2050 – but, embarrassingly, this has turned into an empty promise, with almost no meaningful measures enacted under President Emmanuel Macron. That’s because the “Yellow Vest” protest movement took to the streets to push back against the government’s fuel price surcharges, which disproportionately hit car-dependent people in rural areas.
France is not alone in neglecting its lofty promises. Recent analysis shows that of the 185 countries that have ratified the 2015 Paris climate agreement, just 17 – including Algeria and Samoa – are actually meeting their commitments.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...omborg-2019-05
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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The naysayers refuse to listen to science. Nothing can be done about that unfortunately. However, we're all going to suffer the consequences, believers or not.
They might as well be flat Earthers.
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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They might as well be flat Earthers.
Yep, may as well. It's like not believing in gravity, lol.
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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Yep, may as well. It's like not believing in gravity, lol.
...or God
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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total BS....emissions increased exponentially in just 10 years....that's directly into the atmosphere where it's measured

Atmospheric measurements did not even show a blip....
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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Any new insane denial tricks institute for the conservative studies shared with faithfuls? If you crap in the room you live, you'll affect livability of your room.
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
All I can find are statements like, "man puts out carbon and greenhouse gases, those things can change climate, therefore man is changing the climate."

Sort of like saying, "Jim left his lawn sprinklers running five minutes longer than he should have, water can flood cities, therefore Jim is flooding cities."


Are there any actual studies that methodically prove that man is generating enough to overwhelm the earth's natural tendencies to absorb them? [u]And do more to change the climate than the sun (a nuclear bomb a million times the size of the entire planet), all the volcanoes on Earth, and everything else that has been varying the Earth's climate long before man learned how to use tools?/u]
Thanks for the example of yet another document that doesn't prove that higher CO2 levels cause climate change, and doesn't allow for the possibility that it's the other way around. Does climate change cause higher levels of CO2?

Anybody else?
 
Old 08-12-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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total BS....emissions increased exponentially in just 10 years....that's directly into the atmosphere where it's measured

Atmospheric measurements did not even show a blip....
Wrong

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_res...arbon-dioxide/
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